Mods And Admin.

[97paseo]

So it seems that if we all don’t think along the same trail of thought and play buddy buddy with each other, the establishment come marching in.

I wait for the storm to follow...

VOR I can assure that's not the case! If the admin/mods are getting involved then there's a reason for that as I'm sure you can understand.

We all try hard to get along, obviously people have differences of opinion but my TOC flyers say: "freindly on-line community" - thats what we attempt to promote.

[+Steve]

I think VOR has an attitude.... an attitude that does not really need to be posted.

Everyone is happy... i except peoples opinions.. but I really did not need to see why you slate of the admins and mods?

what would you rather have? political website or a friendly get along with banter?

I prefer the later!

[dave5282]

:group-cuddles: (nuff said?)

[dawesy]

basicaly VOR everyone is free to express their opinion BUT not critisise someone for theirs.

if you cant agree then agree to disagree.

91celicaGTI was very brave posting this i think most of us would have kept quiet about it!

so please if all you can do is critisise and force your opinion on others then please dont post here any more

[Karma Supra]

nws25 -Nick. Thankyou. I'm glad to see other member that are free to speak their mind, as with Voice-of-Reason,

AS you guys know if I think something, I'll say it, and I think I am yet to speak my mind in such a way that its unprovoced direct attack on anyone.

we are all adults here, I beleive the site has a disclaimer so anything is said does not put the morerators ubiks on the line.

I feel randomly locking up a thread is the worst thing you can do, as parties cannot give a reply, I also think that we are all mature enough to carry out a controlled debate, without enforced control.

A FINE example of this was fine cactus' thread a bit back (sorry to use your name as an example mate)

I was NOT imprressed with the other one being locked, _can see why a mod would want to, but maybe a "ok guys keep it freindly" warning would be wise, or offending bits being "moderated" (still ott)

I posted a come back post to that, which got deleted. I'll not lie that annoyed me, and I nearly left here all together...

-I didn;t as I like this place as a forum, and I like the people...

reminds me of the VERY forst post onthis site... I had my website in my sig... my sig was promptly removed. I founf that OTT and irritating, -especially as I found out about this FROM someone elses sig!!!

I donot find this ott, offensive, or an unneseray btatant plug!!! tho I can see some sites havign size restrictions.

-but it gave me a warning that this place is very heavily "policed" -to the point thats its over protective.

I supose we DO live ina free country. -but we also live in a nanny state.

[Fidgits]

In the particular thread that started this 'debate' (I use the term lightly), Ryan posted a warning, pointing out, that if the thread got out of hand, then it would be locked.

If I remember correctly Karma (and please correct me if i am wrong), you followed this with a blatantly contriversal post, which, IMHO would of started a very heated debate about Drink Driving.

I completley agree with Ryan's decsion to lock the thread, and I abosultly disagree to any suggestion that TOC is 'over-moderated' or a 'nanny state'.

I think the mods do a fantastic job, keeing the right balance making it being a fun friendly forum, where people can voice their opinions.

This is just my opinion of course....

[nws25]

They should be able to keep up as they have "topic watch" on their moderators control panel, which means they screen the post before it gets posted.

I just feel there are better ways to deal with things rather than lock a topic.

Do you really think that the moderators have nothing better to do than screen every post in a topic? Moderating is a time consuming activity that most, if not all, do beside another job, getting paid zilch for it, and very seldomly recieving anything but criticism.

Support the moderators. They do a great job.

Yeh I know, I'm a Moderator on the mkiii supras owners forum.

And as for the comments of if you dont like it :censor: off, all i can say is what a great attitude.

[+Steve]

ok.. lets quit this and try and be contructive than destructive.

Perhaps a rule should be in place that the topic starter should be asked if the thread should be closed before actuall closing it. This way the person who started the thread says they want it shut... nothing you can do about it period.

if no response to a tracked PM then a warning that the thread will be closed.

I dont want to make it difficult for mods.. they have a hard enough job.

So.. how does that sound? i think its prety fair going if worked on.

Karma... the size of the advert/sig image was restricted for members on a slow dialup... members dont wanna have to download big sigs... we are behind the US so alot of people are still crawling where you may be walking if you have broadband. If you have a dialup then you may notice that the site loads pretty quick.

Linking personal sites are not a problem.. would be nice if we had a link back.. but not 100% necessary.. but we do not allow commercial advertising unless they pay the club to be in that position.

Also I wanna ask when someone was not allowed to speak their mind?? if this is the case then i would like to know because I have never ruled this out on TOC ever. You please show me proof of this and I will sort something out.

Also Nanny state "My *****" :arrgg-matey:

[nws25]

That sounds fair Steve, if the topic starter agrees to the thread being locked then I for one dont have a problem with that.

Just one point though..........links to non commercial sites in signatures were banned unless the linked site had a link to the TOC. So are you saying that we can now link non-comercial sites in our sigs??

[jerry phipps]

Perhaps a rule should be in place that the topic starter should be asked if the thread should be closed before actuall closing it. This way the person who started the thread says they want it shut... nothing you can do about it period.

if no response to a tracked PM then a warning that the thread will be closed.

I dont want to make it difficult for mods.. they have a hard enough job.

So.. how does that sound? i think its prety fair going if worked on.

I agree with that Steve. I think thats a pretty fair comment there. And would say thats the best way to deal with delicate matters like this.

jerry!!

[Ken]

Karma, in fine catus case i went ott to support him and i re-opened the post to much displeaser(spelling?).

On this one i'm with Ryan, it was only going one-way so closed.

Modding is a hard enough job without people having a go but we try and make it unnoticeable, the work behinds the scenes is exhausting so give us a break Charlie.

As you know i'll help anyone so give us a break, we won't always get it right but we try,

KEN

[+Steve]

That sounds fair Steve, if the topic starter agrees to the thread being locked then I for one dont have a problem with that.

Just one point though..........links to non commercial sites in signatures were banned unless the linked site had a link to the TOC. So are you saying that we can now link non-comercial sites in our sigs??

well.. its the case of returned favours really.

All depends to on "conflicts of interest".. nothing political in it... but if someone wants to link to their peronal site that is not using the site to

A. Commercial benefit

B. Solicit members away from TOC

C. Porn or Adult stuff

D. Anything that could get someone in the sh*t at work or at home or in the sh*t at all LOL

Now... I dont see a problem as such as to linking to say a supra club... (if I am correct John runs the supra club?? ) as these would be a specialists club in that model .. I think Sera club links over.. but you see the sera club link back to us.. Which is all helping each other really... I like to invite other toyota clubs to our meets.

i like to keep one hapy kool and the gang!

[Karma Supra]

Steve.. -I like that idea. no one can say anything is fairer then that!!!

re give the mods a break, I know what its like to be a mod, I am a mod on other sites as well as the one I own :) I understand a more busy site is more demanding. I also understand you want to try and keep it looking squeaky clean and freindly, and as its a multi car type site -you are going to get a lot of different age group individuals, with totally different outlooks... thats fair enough. Maybe my post came out wrong I'm not saying all mods are bad, I'm not saying you guys are crap, -far from it this is a very good site hence the fact I spend a lot of time on here, (and why I'm goin gold) I do sometimes feel the flow of converasation is stemmed by gung ho moderating decisions. I'm sure you would rather people pipe up and mention their problems in a polite way, then just leave alltogether??? I sure would.

As you know if I have a problem I'll make it clear, usually in a fairly unnoffensive manner???

Ken, its cool, I think fine cactus' case was totally out of order on the mod side, and it was more of a clear cut decision to reopen it, I think it was handled very well, we all had our say and no one got offended or was rude... a prime example of a well balance community swiftly solving a problem.. was text book mate

The other case I was annoyed. (so maybe less err. subtle) Annoyed that for the second time something had been locked mid flow, annoyed that people were replying to my post in such a manner that I'd like to reply (no no cause a fight) but was unable to as it had been locked. not that it should come into it but I'd had a day from hell and was not in the most understanding of moods, I DO however think it would have calmed down and all would have been cool by now... locking it leaves people unable to reply with their hackles (sp) up, people get annoyed, then threads like this apear. I can see it from "your" way, can you see it from "ours"???

I still like to think we are all adults and can sort out differences out (without resorting to a slanging match) without them being interfered with.

One of my fave things about this forum is how mature the users act, maybe its a toyota thang ;) -but it gives me further confidence that difference in opinion can be discussed without voerbal fisticuffs.

Fidgits, "blatantly contriversal post, which, IMHO would of started a very heated debate about Drink Driving" well we'll never know will we. ;) have faith in the good people of TOC -are you saying you would have debated heatedly?

Nothing wrong with a healthy debate anyway...... or am I mistaken :S I got this whole forums and expressing ideas wrong :!Removed!:

[Karma Supra]

While we are at it the "when you got a few more posts maybe THEN you can talk" is mildy irritating, mainly as I think V-O-R lives up to his/her name, seems to provide fairly reasonable posts. my guess is (VOR sorry if I'm wrong ;)) is that is a regular user we all know and love, and has taken up another identity to state relevant points, for fear of being bannished for speaking under his/her regular name. mods and admin can read IP addys anyway ;)

Does this mean I can have my site in my sig??? it was removed before by a mod here, who send me a PM explaining linking/mentioning another site was banned. -most of the mk3 supra people here are ON my site anyway, in terms of raw information on that specific car (non interactable) there is understandably more then on here as like steve said, its car specific. I DO have a forum, but its hardly saying "come to meeee and never go back" I did mention size restrictions, hence my shrunk in the wash version I have here :)

TOC is on my (unfinished) links page (as is mkiiisupra.net, and various other supra resource pages such as smartgroups and tigersport) along with all my other waiting to be uploaded pages, such as the 1700 word mk3 buying guide, history of the supra, etc etc.. I have no point in links in sigs, not entire posts saying "check out my new site" -if its from a regular member!!

[Ken]

Charlie, i have no problem with you starting another debate off on DD and would really like you to do it as obviously it's a sore point with some members.

My own personnel view is to leave it well be as i feel a no-drinking and driving policy should be introduced to avoid confusion, controversal maybe but at least you know the law and you know by having 1 drink you are ott and need to be banned if caught.

As for your website, you link to us and you can keep it in your sig, can't say fairer than that can we,

Ken

[nws25]

FYI info Steve, there are 3 main supra groups, the mkiv supra bbs, run by John, the mkiii supra bbs, run by Adi, and then Smartgroups mailing list, which is dying a death and doesnt really have any supra owners left on it, just lonely people.

We on the mkiii forum are currently changing our format and ill sure we'll link to the TOC.

[+Steve]

Charlie

You read me wrong on someone who has less than 10 posts cannot express an opinion... but from this end slating moderators or purely coming in with an attitude doesnt look good.. I am not gonna restrict what VOR has to say... but if you can give it then expect to take it back.

Someone who has been here a number of months would have learned all about the club, its moderators and how the show runs. Then perhaps the opionion would have alot more punch.

Also i have seen this before on a forum and like "yaris hunk" who ame purposly to cause havoc on the forums... its called "trolling" .. my point is someone cmes on a site with bugger all posts I am going to start thinking is this guy/girl a "troll" wanted to purposely cause trouble. Yes I could well be wrong... i apologise to VOR if I am but perhaps in a few weeks VOR can really assess how we run things before making comments even if they were tongue in cheek remarks.

- nws25

Thats good news mate... I look forward to seeing the site.

Also your group interested in attending our Spring meet?? a few other clubs are coming and shall be a wicked day out!

[Karma Supra]

Ken its cool.. let sleeping dogs lie.. that was SO last week ;)

I dont support it lol and I never got to saying that which is probably why it annoyed me so much ;) its cool don't worry

Like I said my semi completed links page has you guys on it, as well as toymods, tigersport, Arnouts supras.nl site.. even a few retail outlets, anything thats gonna be usefull or beneficial.. at the end of the day its usually the same old cronies going around them all ;)

Steve fair point.. seen em on other sites.... there was one on the probe site called *doom monger* whenanyone asked a technical question he'd have the worst possible outcome, and tell everyone that time was their ultimate predetor... we kept him tho as he was funny

take it the IP didn't give any clues then ;)

Nick you bugger I resent not being conisdered a main mk3 group :P that exhaust is getting more and more expesive

we are growing ;)

[knightrider]

[Coyote!]

Ohhh!, I love happy endings... :group-cuddles:

Cheers

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