Help! Ruined My Wheel Studs!

[Big_Sid]

Hoping someone might be able to offer some advice...

Long story short, I was replacing spigot rings (see this thread http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.p...c=76484&hl= ) and decided to use the shiny new nuts that I was supplied with. Seemed to go on fine, however they wouldn't fully tighten... took them back off only to find I have completely mangled the thread on the studs!!!

Can't put my wheel back on now, only managed to get to of the original nuts on, so car is stranded! I guess I need to replace the axle hub bolts. Does anyone know if this is a case of just replacing the hub bolts or is it the entire axle hub assembly???

I'm hoping it should be as easy as this (non Celica) tutorial I found, does anyone have any ideas???

http://www.penguinhosting.net/~bigmac/stor...%20replacement/

Do you think this would be something I could do myself otherwise its a tow truck to a garage which is gonna be expensive!!

BTW car is 2001 VVTL-i 190 Celica.

Thanks!!! Sid

[edwardio]

I know this is no concellation, but I'm fitting new alloys on my Celica on Sunday. I've seen the plastic rings and would've ignored putting them on. Thanks to your mentioning of this, I'm going to make certain I fit them.

Sorry to hear you're having a real hard time over this. I hope you can get it all sorted and cheaply too.

[aquazi]

Hoping someone might be able to offer some advice...

Long story short, I was replacing spigot rings (see this thread http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.p...c=76484&hl= ) and decided to use the shiny new nuts that I was supplied with. Seemed to go on fine, however they wouldn't fully tighten... took them back off only to find I have completely mangled the thread on the studs!!!

Can't put my wheel back on now, only managed to get to of the original nuts on, so car is stranded! I guess I need to replace the axle hub bolts. Does anyone know if this is a case of just replacing the hub bolts or is it the entire axle hub assembly???

I'm hoping it should be as easy as this (non Celica) tutorial I found, does anyone have any ideas???

http://www.penguinhosting.net/~bigmac/stor...%20replacement/

Do you think this would be something I could do myself otherwise its a tow truck to a garage which is gonna be expensive!!

BTW car is 2001 VVTL-i 190 Celica.

Thanks!!! Sid

Hi mate,

I snapped one of mine when a wheel of mine fell off (long story but a costly mistake by a mate of mine!)

They do come off as in the pic, and i changed mine in under 20 mins.

If its the front wheel....

Basically you take the two 14mm caliper bolts off.

1 Slide caliper off.

2 Pull disks off.

3 Hammer the old studs out.

4 Hammer new studs in.

5 Put everything back.

The bad point is the studs cost £7.50 each from Toyota!

I can give you hand on a weekend as you live local, send me a pm if you need a hand.

[Big_Sid]

Hoping someone might be able to offer some advice...

Long story short, I was replacing spigot rings (see this thread http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.p...c=76484&hl= ) and decided to use the shiny new nuts that I was supplied with. Seemed to go on fine, however they wouldn't fully tighten... took them back off only to find I have completely mangled the thread on the studs!!!

Can't put my wheel back on now, only managed to get to of the original nuts on, so car is stranded! I guess I need to replace the axle hub bolts. Does anyone know if this is a case of just replacing the hub bolts or is it the entire axle hub assembly???

I'm hoping it should be as easy as this (non Celica) tutorial I found, does anyone have any ideas???

http://www.penguinhosting.net/~bigmac/stor...%20replacement/

Do you think this would be something I could do myself otherwise its a tow truck to a garage which is gonna be expensive!!

BTW car is 2001 VVTL-i 190 Celica.

Thanks!!! Sid

Hi mate,

I snapped one of mine when a wheel of mine fell off (long story but a costly mistake by a mate of mine!)

They do come off as in the pic, and i changed mine in under 20 mins.

If its the front wheel....

Basically you take the two 14mm caliper bolts off.

1 Slide caliper off.

2 Pull disks off.

3 Hammer the old studs out.

4 Hammer new studs in.

5 Put everything back.

The bad point is the studs cost £7.50 each from Toyota!

I can give you hand on a weekend as you live local, send me a pm if you need a hand.

Thanks Aquazzi! If it is just as you described (which is what I reckoned from looking at the Big Green Book) then I think I will be able to manage on my own, I couldn't ask you to drive all the way from Derby to Nuneaton, it's a bit of a trek, but thanks for the offer I really appreciate it!

To make this worse, my Girlfriend suggested I do the work at her mum and dads house while she did some stuff there too.... realising their drive is a lot less slopey than mine, I agreed.... what a mistake that was! So my car is not only stranded, but it's stranded at their house blocking their entire drive..DOH!

Oh well, it's off to Mr T in the morning then to buy or order the hub bolts. By the way, this is the rear wheel, but from looking at the Service Manual, the procedure doesn't seem to differ much from front to back... i pulled these two pages of interest (see attachments)

rear_wheel_hub_bolt_replacement.pdf

[aquazi]

Hoping someone might be able to offer some advice...

Long story short, I was replacing spigot rings (see this thread http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.p...c=76484&hl= ) and decided to use the shiny new nuts that I was supplied with. Seemed to go on fine, however they wouldn't fully tighten... took them back off only to find I have completely mangled the thread on the studs!!!

Can't put my wheel back on now, only managed to get to of the original nuts on, so car is stranded! I guess I need to replace the axle hub bolts. Does anyone know if this is a case of just replacing the hub bolts or is it the entire axle hub assembly???

I'm hoping it should be as easy as this (non Celica) tutorial I found, does anyone have any ideas???

http://www.penguinhosting.net/~bigmac/stor...%20replacement/

Do you think this would be something I could do myself otherwise its a tow truck to a garage which is gonna be expensive!!

BTW car is 2001 VVTL-i 190 Celica.

Thanks!!! Sid

Hi mate,

I snapped one of mine when a wheel of mine fell off (long story but a costly mistake by a mate of mine!)

They do come off as in the pic, and i changed mine in under 20 mins.

If its the front wheel....

Basically you take the two 14mm caliper bolts off.

1 Slide caliper off.

2 Pull disks off.

3 Hammer the old studs out.

4 Hammer new studs in.

5 Put everything back.

The bad point is the studs cost £7.50 each from Toyota!

I can give you hand on a weekend as you live local, send me a pm if you need a hand.

Thanks Aquazzi! If it is just as you described (which is what I reckoned from looking at the Big Green Book) then I think I will be able to manage on my own, I couldn't ask you to drive all the way from Derby to Nuneaton, it's a bit of a trek, but thanks for the offer I really appreciate it!

To make this worse, my Girlfriend suggested I do the work at her mum and dads house while she did some stuff there too.... realising their drive is a lot less slopey than mine, I agreed.... what a mistake that was! So my car is not only stranded, but it's stranded at their house blocking their entire drive..DOH!

Oh well, it's off to Mr T in the morning then to buy or order the hub bolts. By the way, this is the rear wheel, but from looking at the Service Manual, the procedure doesn't seem to differ much from front to back... i pulled these two pages of interest (see attachments)

Yep its pretty easy... you dont need to dismantle the caliper, just unbolt it and then slide it off. Saves you removing the pads, and regreesing the shims.

The rear should be just as easy, with the extra step of the handbrake.

Also you may need a braker bar for the caliper bolts as mine were on rock solid!

The back plate of the hub conveniently has slots for the bolts, so you can hammer them in.

[Big_Sid]

Well, I've been up to Toyota, got five new hub bolts on order, should be hear by Tuesday...then popped up to screwfix and got me a torque wrench and some 1/2" sockets. All in, provided I don't need any more parts, the whole ordeal has only cost me about £40. The hub bolts wer £3.74 inc VAT from Listers Toyota Nuneaton which I didn't think was too bad.

At least some good will come of this, as I plan to photograph my way through the replacement work, and make a bit of a tutorial for others to follow if they make the same mistake as me one day. I'll post it up once it's finished.

Cheers - Sid

[aquazi]

Well, I've been up to Toyota, got five new hub bolts on order, should be hear by Tuesday...then popped up to screwfix and got me a torque wrench and some 1/2" sockets. All in, provided I don't need any more parts, the whole ordeal has only cost me about £40. The hub bolts wer £3.74 inc VAT from Listers Toyota Nuneaton which I didn't think was too bad.

At least some good will come of this, as I plan to photograph my way through the replacement work, and make a bit of a tutorial for others to follow if they make the same mistake as me one day. I'll post it up once it's finished.

Cheers - Sid

£3.74.... those barstuwards at Inchape in Burton charged me £7.50 for one!

Do you have a breaker bar? might be needed if the caliper bolts are on too tight.

Also it may be a little late but the wheel nuts you need are:

Thread pitch: 12x1.5mm,

With the stock wheel brace using a 21hex head.

[Big_Sid]

Actually, no thats not too late, and that is useful info, because I do need an open nut to use to pull the new studs through... now I know what to go and ask for from some nut and bolt shop

As for the breaker bar, I have one of those 1/2" drive wheel wrench things with an extendable handle, which makes it about 2.5 feet long, so that should do the job.... any tighter than that and I'd be very worried about shearing the bolts, which would make this rather bad situation, about a million times worse!

I have a large can of WD40 though, so... fingers crossed, I'll let that soak in for half an hour before I attempt to move the bolts on the calipers. At least, I suppose Toyota replaced the discs about 2 years ago, so they would have had to come out then, so at least they haven't been rusting into position for the entire life time of the car.

[aquazi]

Actually, no thats not too late, and that is useful info, because I do need an open nut to use to pull the new studs through... now I know what to go and ask for from some nut and bolt shop

As for the breaker bar, I have one of those 1/2" drive wheel wrench things with an extendable handle, which makes it about 2.5 feet long, so that should do the job.... any tighter than that and I'd be very worried about shearing the bolts, which would make this rather bad situation, about a million times worse!

I have a large can of WD40 though, so... fingers crossed, I'll let that soak in for half an hour before I attempt to move the bolts on the calipers. At least, I suppose Toyota replaced the discs about 2 years ago, so they would have had to come out then, so at least they haven't been rusting into position for the entire life time of the car.

I didnt use an open nut to fit mine, I just hammered it in from behind, and then used the normal nut (mine being aftermarket tapered nuts are longer) and then tightened it up with the wheel on the car.

[Big_Sid]

I picked up by new hub bolts this afternoon... and the original standard wheel bolts screw right down onto them and take in the entire thread, so I can use these along with an M12 washers I bought (thanks Aquazi) to pull them through....that is if hammering them *gently* doesn't work.

I must say, I am amazed at what a small amount of metal is holding my rear wheels to the rest of the car... it is times like this when you wish you were just completely ignorant to all of the intracacies of the mechanical workings of your car.... I fear that I will never take an island at some break-neck speed or execute a handbrake turn again without fear of my wheels being ripped clean off... please see the attachment for my crappy MS paint attempt to explain my fear...

Anyway... the five studs actually ended up costing just £3.17 each.... bargain!

My only other fear (apart from afore mentioned ridiculously small piece of metal) is breaking the caliper bolts when I try to take them out... I may have already mentioned this, in which case I apologise... but I am very, very drunk.

[aquazi]

I picked up by new hub bolts this afternoon... and the original standard wheel bolts screw right down onto them and take in the entire thread, so I can use these along with an M12 washers I bought (thanks Aquazi) to pull them through....that is if hammering them *gently* doesn't work.

I must say, I am amazed at what a small amount of metal is holding my rear wheels to the rest of the car... it is times like this when you wish you were just completely ignorant to all of the intracacies of the mechanical workings of your car.... I fear that I will never take an island at some break-neck speed or execute a handbrake turn again without fear of my wheels being ripped clean off... please see the attachment for my crappy MS paint attempt to explain my fear...

Anyway... the five studs actually ended up costing just £3.17 each.... bargain!

My only other fear (apart from afore mentioned ridiculously small piece of metal) is breaking the caliper bolts when I try to take them out... I may have already mentioned this, in which case I apologise... but I am very, very drunk.

I wouldnt worry too much, the bolts are pretty tough... they use smaller bolt heads to hold the wings onto planes!

And the caliper bolt should be ok... make sure you turn the right way to loosen and get the right socket!

[Big_Sid]

HURRAY!!!!

FIXED!!!

Thanks all!!