Toyotas Not As Good As I Thought

[tccom]

bought a compressor at the end of summer and only started using it everyday at the end of january and just can't live with the petrol consumption and the noises from the clutch /gearbox,brakes are crap and was bored of it by last weekend.not a car you can drive everyday,i'm sure lots of people are satisfied with there t-sport/compressors but i think my impulse buy came back to haunt me,but saying that i only lost 400 pounds in 6 months,just glad it is gone.i feel a weight has been lifted from my shoulders as toyota's are not as good as i thought well the uk biult ones anyway.so theres acompressor for sale out there somewhere with 5,000 miles on the clock 56 reg and 2 owners already got shut does this tell you something?

[marty32]

know how u feel there, mines going this week hope the celica i got on order is as good as the last 1.

im running at 27 mpg average is no were near the official 32 in the brochures. must admit i haven been impressed with the quality of my cts

we cant get away from fact that its a phenomenal machine when you abuse the right foot but it isn just about speed

[fisel]

Seems to be mostly Compressor owners who give up ownership after just a few months. Understand what you mean about the clutch/gearbox and brakes.

[UK86_MarK]

Unfortunatly i disagree on some points,

Yes, the mpg is not that great but in my opinion, people dont buy a CTS for the fuel consumption. I have owned my TS for nearly a year now, (touch wood) no problems to date! Only thing ive had to do, is wash it :D and change the 2 front tyres.

In the CTS's defence...its a hot hatch and not intended for fantastic mpg!

Everyone is intitled to thier opinion and everyone of the posts here has valid points about handling and brakes, but in all honesty, you cant buy a 200bhp hot hatch, then complain about fuel consumption.

Cheers

Mark

P.S: Not trying to argue with anybody! Just putting my point forward! :)

[fisel]

Unfortunatly i disagree on some points,

Yes, the mpg is not that great but in my opinion, people dont buy a CTS for the fuel consumption. I have owned my TS for nearly a year now, (touch wood) no problems to date! Only thing ive had to do, is wash it :D and change the 2 front tyres.

In the CTS's defence...its a hot hatch and not intended for fantastic mpg!

Everyone is intitled to thier opinion and everyone of the posts here has valid points about handling and brakes, but in all honesty, you cant buy a 200bhp hot hatch, then complain about fuel consumption.

Cheers

Mark

P.S: Not trying to argue with anybody! Just putting my point forward! :)

I have to agree for the most part.

Never really got the fuel consumption argument, the car is pushing 190bhp (215 for the compressor). I’d like someone to list how many other petrol cars of the same size and weight, in the same price bracket that give more than 30mpg in real world drive.

Some parts of the car however (especially the gearbox, clutch and brakes) leave a lot to be desired. I’ve had the car for over a year now and I still cant get over the silly noises it makes, the dire breaking system and sappy suspension (compared to other hot hatches. I find it hard how people can say it’s better value for more money than a CTR. With all that said I don’t complain because it’s all I can afford at the moment, wouldn’t be my first choice car if insurance wasn’t a problem so it will do.

[marty32]

thats a valid point in reality if i drive it sensible it is 30ish combined

my mate has a 2 litre golf gti with 125bhp and its crap on fuel he barely gets the same as my cts with 190 in it

love the sound of when the lift kicks in, when i drive home on a night i go from a 50 into a 70mpg zone and it has to be done.....drop it to 3rd and give it some lift. problem is im doing few more miles now and i need to sacrifice bit of power

one thing ive learned of some of you guys on here is that when you need pads and discs dealer definitely isn always the best choice especially when u driving cars like the cts.

next time i need to change pads etc ill definitely look into other options,think is fair to say u need good quality stuff when you slowing these cars down.

i let my mate have a go in the cts tonight before i get rid he said he wouldnt get done for speeding in it... more likely for low flying haha

[tccom]

Unfortunatly i disagree on some points,

Yes, the mpg is not that great but in my opinion, people dont buy a CTS for the fuel consumption. I have owned my TS for nearly a year now, (touch wood) no problems to date! Only thing ive had to do, is wash it :D and change the 2 front tyres.

In the CTS's defence...its a hot hatch and not intended for fantastic mpg!

Everyone is intitled to thier opinion and everyone of the posts here has valid points about handling and brakes, but in all honesty, you cant buy a 200bhp hot hatch, then complain about fuel consumption.

Cheers

Mark

P.S: Not trying to argue with anybody! Just putting my point forward! :)

I have to agree for the most part.

Never really got the fuel consumption argument, the car is pushing 190bhp (215 for the compressor). I’d like someone to list how many other petrol cars of the same size and weight, in the same price bracket that give more than 30mpg in real world drive.

Some parts of the car however (especially the gearbox, clutch and brakes) leave a lot to be desired. I’ve had the car for over a year now and I still cant get over the silly noises it makes, the dire breaking system and sappy suspension (compared to other hot hatches. I find it hard how people can say it’s better value for more money than a CTR. With all that said I don’t complain because it’s all I can afford at the moment, wouldn’t be my first choice car if insurance wasn’t a problem so it will do.

hi,not trying to have a go,but you should expect more than 20 to the gallon driving normally with all this technology on cars.

[fisel]

hi,not trying to have a go,but you should expect more than 20 to the gallon driving normally with all this technology on cars.

The lowest i've got is 24mpg and thats with me redlining constantly for about 10 minutes. If you're getting 20 with normal driving then something is wrong with your car.

[UK86_MarK]

Took the words right out of my mouth :D

I LOVE my CTS and wouldn't swap it for anything...(unless your prepared to give me a Audi RS4, then we'll talk lol)

The reason i chose it over the CTR is quite simple...its more grown up, mine has leather interior, climate control, all the VSC and ABS ec...

Yes the CTR may be faster (ASLONG AS THE ROAD IS DRY, but in a little bit of rain the CTS wins everytime! I've trid and tested this on various track days!) but its seen as a "chav" or "boy-racers" car and i for one dont want that image. A friend of mine has one, and actually prefers my CTS, because after 30miles down a motorway his backside is numb from the poor ride comfort, and the cheap, tacky looking seats that look like they have been ordered from a max power magazine!

[tccom]

hi,not trying to have a go,but you should expect more than 20 to the gallon driving normally with all this technology on cars.

The lowest i've got is 24mpg and thats with me redlining constantly for about 10 minutes. If you're getting 20 with normal driving then something is wrong with your car.

the car was in A1 condition with 4,800 mils on and it was a compressor.i dont own it anymore.but a lot of people are getting shut of these compressors because the fuel economy sucks its just to expensive to burn away going to work.i have cut my fuel costs by over half.

[fisel]

hi,not trying to have a go,but you should expect more than 20 to the gallon driving normally with all this technology on cars.

The lowest i've got is 24mpg and thats with me redlining constantly for about 10 minutes. If you're getting 20 with normal driving then something is wrong with your car.

the car was in A1 condition with 4,800 mils on and it was a compressor.i dont own it anymore.but a lot of people are getting shut of these compressors because the fuel economy sucks its just to expensive to burn away going to work.i have cut my fuel costs by over half.

mate the car doesnt have to look rough and have miles and miles on it for there to be something. i've seen compressor owners on here say they go over 30mpg average so obviously something wasnt right. your car was giving less mpg than an rs4 and fq-360.

[fisel]

Yeah i do prefer the leather and the seats altogether, climate control is very good too. I'd have to disagree on the rest though.

TC is the one good thing the CTS has over the CTR when it comes to drivability, apart from that... There isnt enough power in the car for VSC to be utilized enough or even needed. I'd much rather have better handling and no VSC than have soppy sloppy handling with VSC.

Same with the brakes. Give me good brakes and no ABS that !Removed! brakes with ABS (or maybe just the ABS on this car) any day of the week. I thought it was supposed to control your braking, not cut it out completely!? I've had my life flash before my eyes more than once with the ABS.

Apart from that its Lovely B)

[cayman]

TC is the one good thing the CTS has over the CTR when it comes to drivability, apart from that... There isnt enough power in the car for VSC to be utilized enough or even needed. I'd much rather have better handling and no VSC than have soppy sloppy handling with VSC.

Fisel,

You are not riving the car hard enough! :D

All my car at home got some form of stability control---be it ESP, PSM, DSC, VSC!

Do a Cat and Fiddle run I can garanteed you will outrun a CTR without stability control!

[marty32]

must admit i think cayman you got a valid point there vsc can be a bit of a pain in the butt, guy in our street had an integra type and he said he wished it never had abs and traction cos he felt it did more harm than good

im no expert but would the cts and compressor not be better and more fun to drive if was rear wheel drive

[cayman]

must admit i think cayman you got a valid point there vsc can be a bit of a pain in the butt, guy in our street had an integra type and he said he wished it never had abs and traction cos he felt it did more harm than good

im no expert but would the cts and compressor not be better and more fun to drive if was rear wheel drive

You are quite right---rear wheel drive are much more fun to drive! (Do you like karting???) You can balance the car with the throttle. You need more input into the car but it means it is a more rewarding driving experience. Also because the front wheel is just for steering, you don't have torque steer which can corrupt your steering control in high power FWD cars!

Most front wheel drive car just run wide and the only way you can tighten the cornering line is to put more lock on and backoff the throttle. This is easy that's why I wouldn't recommend new drivers buying a rear driver!

Talking about devices like ABS and ESP---Most of us do not have reflexes like touring car driver, Tiff Needel, Jason Plato or Stig, these devices are there to protect us from losing our no claim or our limbs. This is why young driver crash more cause they overestimate their ability!

Does these devices limit enjoyment---I think not depends on what car you got. The E46 M3 and Cayman S will still let the rear end out if the road is wet. There is a sport button in the console which can raised the threshold a bit higher so that you can drift a bit more. I track 3 or 4 times a year mainly in Oulton Park and Bedford Autodrome and I always leave the stability management on! Im not the slowest guy on the track!

[fisel]

I'll agree that VSC is needed from a safety point of view, i'd just much prefer the car to have better handling than not so good handling and VSC.

I have to speak out again against the ABS too, it is utterly useless on this car and i'd go as far to say it is a safety hazard. So many times it's activated when I know full well the car could brake without skidding.

[tccom]

as i said not as good as i thought plenty of niggles apart from eating fuel :D

[Chris81]

I don't think you can have any complaints about a low mpg. But all this talk of suspension and brake noise intrigues me! Are they just all really noisy or just not very good?

[Captain Weirdbeard]

...not a car you can drive everyday,i'm sure lots of people are satisfied with there t-sport/compressors

I'm surprised to hear that. I am amazed by how civilised the car is when just pottering about in everyday use. The consumables and fuel vary according to what you demand from the car, as with everything else in life.

I agree that the standard brakes aren't up to much unless they are well warmed up. If you upgrade of course it will be to suit your style of driving and that makes the car less of an all rounder. I think as a starting point though, the standard brakes are a good compromise for the requirements of both the experienced motorist and the inexperienced. Like tyres, braking is a subjective thing and it is very easy to tweak with a well considered choice of rubber, tyre pressure, disc and pad.

You are, of course, right to expect more than 20mpg even if you are driving enthusiastically. I guess it's too late to find out why you were getting such a low return.

Sorry to hear of your difficulties. What are you driving now?

[tccom]

...not a car you can drive everyday,i'm sure lots of people are satisfied with there t-sport/compressors

I'm surprised to hear that. I am amazed by how civilised the car is when just pottering about in everyday use. The consumables and fuel vary according to what you demand from the car, as with everything else in life.

I agree that the standard brakes aren't up to much unless they are well warmed up. If you upgrade of course it will be to suit your style of driving and that makes the car less of an all rounder. I think as a starting point though, the standard brakes are a good compromise for the requirements of both the experienced motorist and the inexperienced. Like tyres, braking is a subjective thing and it is very easy to tweak with a well considered choice of rubber, tyre pressure, disc and pad.

You are, of course, right to expect more than 20mpg even if you are driving enthusiastically. I guess it's too late to find out why you were getting such a low return.

Sorry to hear of your difficulties. What are you driving now?

hi,i am driving a 57 plate astra sri vvt xp and cut my weekly fuel bill by over half,got a straight swap at vauxhall dealer.

[Captain Weirdbeard]

hi,i am driving a 57 plate astra sri vvt xp and cut my weekly fuel bill by over half,got a straight swap at vauxhall dealer.

According to http://www.driverschoice.co.uk/cars/astra_18_elite_5dr.htm your new car is rated thus: Max power (bhp/rpm) - 125/5600. Compared to 189bhp and 215bhp for the CTS and CTS Compressor respectively you should notice a difference all right. Even with a well set up CTS, the fuel consumption will be different. The figures you quoted for the Compressor however and the fact that you had issues with its everyday performance suggest that there was a problem.

Although it is too late to determine the cause of excessive fuel consumption in your CTS Compressor, I think your experience has been the exception to the rule.

I'll bet the Vauxhall dealer is delighted to have your old Compressor. He will likely have a simple fix for what ever was wrong. Of course you don't want to hear that. In any case I'm happy that you have found a car that suits you better. I guess all types of car can have their reputations spoilt by the occasional "lemon".

Good luck with your Astra.

[tccom]

hi,i am driving a 57 plate astra sri vvt xp and cut my weekly fuel bill by over half,got a straight swap at vauxhall dealer.

According to http://www.driverschoice.co.uk/cars/astra_18_elite_5dr.htm your new car is rated thus: Max power (bhp/rpm) - 125/5600. Compared to 189bhp and 215bhp for the CTS and CTS Compressor respectively you should notice a difference all right. Even with a well set up CTS, the fuel consumption will be different. The figures you quoted for the Compressor however and the fact that you had issues with its everyday performance suggest that there was a problem.

Although it is too late to determine the cause of excessive fuel consumption in your CTS Compressor, I think your experience has been the exception to the rule.

I'll bet the Vauxhall dealer is delighted to have your old Compressor. He will likely have a simple fix for what ever was wrong. Of course you don't want to hear that. In any case I'm happy that you have found a car that suits you better. I guess all types of car can have their reputations spoilt by the occasional "lemon".

Good luck with your Astra.

hi,thats the old engine,new vvt is 140 bhp,no eml on on compressor so no fault on the emmisions?and its been on my scanner the new up to date snap on ethos,and got a clean bill of health.as you say prob a lemon.its gone now so sod it.