Scangauge

[Jan van de Wouw]

There's no arm to speak of on the Aygo,

so there's no way to clamp this mount in place...

[gordonh]

The real problem I see with the ScanGauge is that started life as a tool to help mechanics see what was happening with a car and then became a gadget that people started putting in their cars. This means that the unit is designed for function rather than aesthetics.

What would be good is if the readout display was split from the actual gubbings of the unit, this would allow other styles of readout to be added to fit the style of car you have.

[Wild west Drifter]

The real problem I see with the ScanGauge is that started life as a tool to help mechanics see what was happening with a car and then became a gadget that people started putting in their cars. This means that the unit is designed for function rather than aesthetics.

What would be good is if the readout display was split from the actual gubbings of the unit, this would allow other styles of readout to be added to fit the style of car you have.

Thing is, The unit is designed around a 2 line LCD display and probably has the electronics piggy backed to that PCB.

I bought mine for function and it is easy to read.

If the display was seperate you would also have another cable to worry about, with a lot more wires in it,The current cable has about 6 wires in it,to run the LCD you need about 20.

[Jan van de Wouw]

The current cable has about 6 wires in it,to run the LCD you need about 20.

Not really. You can run an LCD off of 3 wires: power, ground and a serial signal,

if you need two-way communication a 4th wire can be handy, but isn't neccesary...

But I agree with you that there is not much benefit in splitting the system;

the current size isn't that much bigger than just a 2-line display would be...

Maybe you could scrape of half an inch in most dimensions by putting some of

the electronics in the OBD-plug, but I don't see how that would be beneficial.

[UKOBD]

The real problem I see with the ScanGauge is that started life as a tool to help mechanics see what was happening with a car and then became a gadget that people started putting in their cars. This means that the unit is designed for function rather than aesthetics.

What would be good is if the readout display was split from the actual gubbings of the unit, this would allow other styles of readout to be added to fit the style of car you have.

I agree to a point, however although the technology started actually as an emissions system the ScanGauge was designed from scratch for the purpose which it now has - primarily an in-car fuel/trip computer, with the additional diagnostic benefits.

The readout has been developed to make it easy to read and effective. Full skin-able interfaces exist, indeed we supply one (http://www.ukobd.co.uk/gstore/store/g_viewItem.asp?idProduct=123) but the costs are significantly higher.

Gareth

UKOBD

[adilmon]

Man, that DaashDaq is a nice piece of kit. I'd feel a bit insecure leaving that out on display though. Looks a lot like a satnav

[UKOBD]

Man, that DaashDaq is a nice piece of kit. I'd feel a bit insecure leaving that out on display though. Looks a lot like a satnav

Intention is to bring out a SatNav add on for it. Just waiting to see on the maps.

Gareth

[thelord]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ScanGauge-II-OBD-2-S...id=p3286.c0.m14

Sorry about long link its an eBay one - £113.30 for a SCII direct from Greeze!

[Hoovie]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ScanGauge-II-OBD-2-S...id=p3286.c0.m14

Sorry about long link its an ebay one - £113.30 for a SCII direct from Greeze!

And how long will it take to arrive? and if it goes wrong under warranty and you try to sort it out with a geezer in greece??

Buy from the UK and get yours next day (I did ;) )

Send a note to the Forum Admin and ask them to sort out the TOC discount and maybe you will be pleasantly surprised :P

[jagatron]

For scanguage, has anyone checked the "fuel used for this tank" feature and compared it to actually what they've added to the car? How accurate is the fuel consumption gauge? (specifically for the Aygo, whose fuel consumptions for me is nowhere near the 4.1 mark I was hoping - 6+ l/100kms last interstate trip)

[adilmon]

For scanguage, has anyone checked the "fuel used for this tank" feature and compared it to actually what they've added to the car? How accurate is the fuel consumption gauge? (specifically for the Aygo, whose fuel consumptions for me is nowhere near the 4.1 mark I was hoping - 6+ l/100kms last interstate trip)

When you fill up a couple of times you can adjust how much fuel the scangauge thinks has been used, versus what has actually been used. In my experience, after you have done this initial calibration, accuracy is around 95%when your driving style and conditions are relatively consistent. Most of the time, my scangauge is out by half a litre for a whole tank because I only use the Aygo for the daily commute.

[Jan van de Wouw]

After getting used to the ScanGauge I'm usually within about half a liter of what the ScanGauge predicts too.

I also find the "Kilometers Till Empty" feature very handy, it's one of my gauges that allways shows and

I've found to be quite accurate. With my regular driving it allways predicst about 650km on a tank,

which only decreased rapidly whan I drive it hard for a short while. Usually it;s within about 20km.

Being ablue to read and reset Faultcodes proved handy too today: we had a small event to take a

tour around with about 25 cars and one of them had forgotten to turn off the lights, so his Battery

had been dead this morning. He charged it, but got a lit MIL/CEL on the dash and it ran VERY rough.

Since I have my ScanGauge mounted with velcro and have a second cable in one of the doorpockets

(as my "original" cable has been lengthened about 2' and is tucked away behind the headliner and trim)

I was able to hook up to his car, check the fault code and reset it within seconds.

The car ran smooth the instant I pressed the confirmation for clearing the code and stayed that way.

I just checked the code: P0011 relates to the VVT-i solenoid, so this probably got confused with the low Battery...

I wouldn't want to be without my ScanGauge anymore...

[gordonh]

I noticed when I first fitted my scanguage it seemed to default to a 3.0 litre which seemed to screw with the economy numbers.

[jagatron]

I noticed when I first fitted my scanguage it seemed to default to a 3.0 litre which seemed to screw with the economy numbers.

I think the question is more generally if the ScangaugeII works accurately with the Aygo, and it sounds like it's very predictable from the people that have written. I had read in some other forums that certain cars don't work well with this, the scale changes a lot, and it can be significantly off even after the correction factor has been applied. Perhaps certain cars are doing unconventional things with the timing or injection, but it sounds like the Aygo is predictable for the Scangauge.

Any other good success stories? City / mixed / autoroute driving all produce predictable results? I plan to pick one up. Good prices for euro market? With the pound where it is, price to order from UK is same as USD price now.

[adilmon]

Note: I set the tank size in litres (35) but then changed the units to show miles per gallon. The mpg was out and when I checked the calibration the tank size (35) had also change to gallons. Unfortunately, the tank size calibration is to the nearest litre or gallon. The Aygo is 7.7 gallons or 35 litres. To maintain accuracy, use settings for litres only. You can't tell it you have a 7.7 gallon tank

[mjrose]

Note: I set the tank size in litres (35) but then changed the units to show miles per gallon. The mpg was out and when I checked the calibration the tank size (35) had also change to gallons. Unfortunately, the tank size calibration is to the nearest litre or gallon. The Aygo is 7.7 gallons or 35 litres. To maintain accuracy, use settings for litres only. You can't tell it you have a 7.7 gallon tank

Can't you just tell it you have the equivilent sized tank in litres as it would be US Gallons. I.e. If the tank is actually 7.7 UK gallons but you are tricking it into displaying UK Gallons then you have to tell it that is has the equivilent to 7.7 US Gallons in litres (29).

Does that make sense?

[adilmon]

Note: I set the tank size in litres (35) but then changed the units to show miles per gallon. The mpg was out and when I checked the calibration the tank size (35) had also change to gallons. Unfortunately, the tank size calibration is to the nearest litre or gallon. The Aygo is 7.7 gallons or 35 litres. To maintain accuracy, use settings for litres only. You can't tell it you have a 7.7 gallon tank

Can't you just tell it you have the equivilent sized tank in litres as it would be US Gallons. I.e. If the tank is actually 7.7 UK gallons but you are tricking it into displaying UK Gallons then you have to tell it that is has the equivilent to 7.7 US Gallons in litres (29).

Does that make sense?

Yes. In short, if you want to accuracy with miles per tank, keep everything in litres. Enter tank size in litres and on the gauge view MPL instead of MPG. The instructions on how to calibrate and use scangauge can be downloaded as a pdf from their website

[mjrose]

Yes. In short, if you want to accuracy with miles per tank, keep everything in litres. Enter tank size in litres and on the gauge view MPL instead of MPG. The instructions on how to calibrate and use scangauge can be downloaded as a pdf from their website

I meant that using that method you could calibrate in litres and then display UK MPG accurately on the gauge.

[adilmon]

I meant that using that method you could calibrate in litres and then display UK MPG accurately on the gauge.

No, that wont work if you want to use the tank measurements (miles until empty etc). When you switch to MPG it assumes your tank is in gallons and it will automatically update and think you have a 35 gallon tank.

If you want to use MPG, I suggest you set the tank size to 7 gallons and remember there is always 0.7 gallons to spare

[mjrose]

OK yes, I understand how that would knock out the miles remaining.

However a quick web suggested that if you initially set your true tank size (35 litres), then at your second fill up, you enter the amount a fuel added in UK gallons (or litres), then the scanguage will automatically adjust the MPG readings i.e. this adjusts the scanguages consumption detection rather than its tank size assumption. However as you are 'tricking' the consumption calibration to work with UK gallons the litres per 100km gauge will be out (as it is corellated to US rather UK gallons).

In any one who has a scan gauge can confirm whether this works that would be great as I am holding off buying one!

[Wild west Drifter]

Mine is set to MPL .

Tank size is metric, we buy fuel in Litres, most of you young uns were probably taught using Metic units so what's the problem?

Maybe I'm just getting old but if I can do it without my grandchildrens help- can't others.

OK i'll get me slippers and go to bed.

[adilmon]

OK yes, I understand how that would knock out the miles remaining.

However a quick web suggested that if you initially set your true tank size (35 litres), then at your second fill up, you enter the amount a fuel added in UK gallons (or litres), then the scanguage will automatically adjust the MPG readings i.e. this adjusts the scanguages consumption detection rather than its tank size assumption. However as you are 'tricking' the consumption calibration to work with UK gallons the litres per 100km gauge will be out (as it is corellated to US rather UK gallons).

In any one who has a scan gauge can confirm whether this works that would be great as I am holding off buying one!

Sorry, there is only one place to change the units to gallons or litres and it changes everything on the scan gauge.

Note: It is neither set to uk nor us gallons. The user effectively teaches it the value of a gallon at the first fill up calibration. Whatever the default is, you teach it how many of your gallons (uk or us) have been used at fill up. The deviation from default is saved. Then it is in the gallons you prefer to measure in for your country. Nice and easy :)

[Mark Verboom]

Quick question to everybody running an Scangauge in their car. I've been a long time scangauge adept, and had one fitted to my car very quickly (ordered it before I even had the car )

I usually keep an eye on the MAP value when I fit it to a car. And while driving (especially noticed it on German autobahn), I see that the MAP value drops below 100 when giving the engine full throttle. This doesn't seem to be a problem at low RPM (I see 100 there, what you would expect), but when going higher in the revs, I see it go to 98 or even lower. As my engine is still standard (only had the car for 1,5 month ;) ), I would suspect there is a bottleneck in the take track. Can people confirm my readings and maybe if someone has a scangauge AND a different air intake confirm it will remain at 100 when at higher revs?

Cheers,

Mark

PS. My install below, not too tidy, but it works for me at the moment:

http://www.verboom.net/projects/c1/20090205/index.html

[VSD]

I can't understand one thing guys here!!

Why does the aygo have all the cables, rev counter sockets ready to be plugged into, but toyota doesn't manufacture & offer everything in the first place??????? Surely it wouldn't add too much costs?? Would have been better to produce an aygo ready with revcounter & a sort of display ( the console on top of the stereo is empty ) in the first place?? So why did they prepare all cables, wires etc, just to offer a car with no such amenities??

[matt303]

I can't understand one thing guys here!!

Why does the aygo have all the cables, rev counter sockets ready to be plugged into, but toyota doesn't manufacture & offer everything in the first place??????? Surely it wouldn't add too much costs?? Would have been better to produce an aygo ready with revcounter & a sort of display ( the console on top of the stereo is empty ) in the first place?? So why did they prepare all cables, wires etc, just to offer a car with no such amenities??

It's because the Aygo, 107 and C1 are all the same car with different styling, some Aygo models used to come with a rev counter and some 107s and C1s still do and they share the same parts.

The Scangauge plugs into the canbus which almost all modern cars have and picks up the data from the ECU.