Ok My Thoughts On The Aygo Warts And All

[hora]

Ok, my Aygo has been the length of the country and even on a NY's trip to Bruhl and Cologne via Amsterdam city centre then back home.

Pros?

Love the concept, the cheeky looks and its frugal-stripped down nature. Cheeky thrum of its 3 cylinder engine. Honest and was never bullied whilst out on the road.

disliked the clunk of the wheel against the stop on full-lock

General cheap finishing materials.

I honestly believe that post-40k miles it would become a oil-eater.

Skittish nature of the eco-tyres/.

Crunch on reverse unless you pause (everytime) before selecting.

Toyota's servicing costs. Why is it so expensive?

Cheap OEM stereo sound.

Numerous rattles developing by just 14,000miles (speedo plastic lens constant- had to sellotape to stop).

Squeeking seats; Driver and front passenger.

Groaning of glass hatch against tub through hard/bumpy-corners.

Inability to crawl in rush hour traffic in second (not enough torque) whilst changing down to 1st meant a jerky-experience.

Toyota, it seems as though the designers designed a concept to be back-to-basics and cheeky then Accounts came in and stripped back on costs and materials.

The Panda is soo much better in town/town traffic.

My thoughts? Great as a second/third car. Sadly others do it all better for the same or even less.

I see the Aygo as the modern-day 2CV. Character but flawed.

[Red Yaris 54]

I honestly believe that post-40k miles it would become a oil-eater.

Toyota's servicing costs. Why is it so expensive?

On what do you base your belief that it will become an oil eater??.................I am intregued

Toyotas servicing costs on the Aygo are not excessive compared to any other small car.

[zakelwe]

Ok, my Aygo has been the length of the country and even on a NY's trip to Bruhl and Cologne via Amsterdam city centre then back home.

Pros?

Love the concept, the cheeky looks and its frugal-stripped down nature. Cheeky thrum of its 3 cylinder engine. Honest and was never bullied whilst out on the road.

disliked the clunk of the wheel against the stop on full-lock

General cheap finishing materials.

I honestly believe that post-40k miles it would become a oil-eater.

Skittish nature of the eco-tyres/.

Crunch on reverse unless you pause (everytime) before selecting.

Toyota's servicing costs. Why is it so expensive?

Cheap OEM stereo sound.

Numerous rattles developing by just 14,000miles (speedo plastic lens constant- had to sellotape to stop).

Squeeking seats; Driver and front passenger.

Groaning of glass hatch against tub through hard/bumpy-corners.

Inability to crawl in rush hour traffic in second (not enough torque) whilst changing down to 1st meant a jerky-experience.

Toyota, it seems as though the designers designed a concept to be back-to-basics and cheeky then Accounts came in and stripped back on costs and materials.

The Panda is soo much better in town/town traffic.

My thoughts? Great as a second/third car. Sadly others do it all better for the same or even less.

I see the Aygo as the modern-day 2CV. Character but flawed.

So how is the Panda better as an ownership prospect? How are FIAT dealers nowadays again? You seem to have some experience, or is it just off the cuff remarks?

Yes, I'm also very interested in how you think it will become an oil eater after 40 000 miles and why that figure. Can you provide some stats to back it up?

Regards

Andy

[hora]

I had a Panda as a hire car for 2 weeks whilst on holiday and did alot of mixed miles.

Oil eater? Maybe alittle unfair a comment but its a lightweight, tiny engine that if driven in mixed conditions over time, well. I just question its longterm longevity.

I chose the Panda over a Aygo due to how they both feel at 70mph+ (Panda unsure, Aygo planted).

I've just had a 40,000 service carried out on a diesel Seat Altea at £199 inc VAT, I've had 2 MX5's serviced at £120-£200 and a FRV. These are all the same as the Aygo. Why? The Aygo is supposed to be a car designed and built to a budget (1 string on parcel shelf, no conventional hatch etc etc) so why isnt the servicing the same, on a budget?

[zakelwe]

I had a Panda as a hire car for 2 weeks whilst on holiday and did alot of mixed miles.

Oil eater? Maybe alittle unfair a comment but its a lightweight, tiny engine that if driven in mixed conditions over time, well. I just question its longterm longevity.

I chose the Panda over a Aygo due to how they both feel at 70mph+ (Panda unsure, Aygo planted).

I've just had a 40,000 service carried out on a diesel Seat Altea at £199 inc VAT, I've had 2 MX5's serviced at £120-£200 and a FRV. These are all the same as the Aygo. Why? The Aygo is supposed to be a car designed and built to a budget (1 string on parcel shelf, no conventional hatch etc etc) so why isnt the servicing the same, on a budget?

Perhaps you will be right about the 3 cylinder 1 litre Toyota engine but my experience with the 1 litre 4 cylinder engine was fine. I did 100 000 miles from Sevenoaks to Kensington High Street, West London, commuting which was probably the toughest non test driven 100 000 miles a Yaris engine ever had to endure and it was fine. Never used any oil at all. The clutch wore out though, probably up to 200 gear changes per day on my route so probably to be expected.

As for servicing you are probably right, main dealers charge a lot nowadays to keep their shiny emporiums.

Regards

Andy

[Parts-King]

As for servicing you are probably right, main dealers charge a lot nowadays to keep their shiny emporiums

When these two shiny emporiums were refurbed, there was'nt enough change out of 1.5M to buy a pint.........I wonder how many years it will be before Toyota insist we have another facelift?

Kingo

[Red Yaris 54]

Oil eater? Maybe alittle unfair a comment but its a lightweight, tiny engine that if driven in mixed conditions over time, well. I just question its longterm longevity.

I see that the 3 cylinder 1.0 Toyota engine has just won International awards for engine design for the second year running

http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_08/sub1.html

...................Maybe that is the way that all engines should be made?

[Jeff McCrory]

Oil eater? Maybe alittle unfair a comment but its a lightweight, tiny engine that if driven in mixed conditions over time, well. I just question its longterm longevity.

I see that the 3 cylinder 1.0 Toyota engine has just won International awards for engine design for the second year running

http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_08/sub1.html

...................Maybe that is the way that all engines should be made?

Hmm it says it uses a resin coating on the pistons, i remember the nickel-silicon lining on the ford puma's yamaha sourced engine caused problems at around 70000 miles when the lining was prone to wear through, hope the same it not the case for the Toyota.

[hora]

Jeff, the Aygo's designed as a towncar with probably lower than average mileage? So to get to 70k, you'd probably only see a limited number reaching that in its lifetime? (If that makes sense).

I've seen one or two Aygos around (Autotrader) that were close to that already however the Aygo was never intended to be a motorway/high-miler.

[shuffly]

Ok, I've got to be honest, when I bought an Aygo as a learner car I was a little worried about how the thing would last....

I have to say though, at 17000 miles it feels as good as new.

My AA Focuses all used a litre of oil per 10000 m, the Aygo no oil at all. The clutch seems ok, theres no rattles, the engines sweeter than the Fords felt at this mileage.

So so far it has slightly suprised me I'm glad to say.

Ian

[hora]

Let us know how you get on Ian :)

How long/how many miles are you planning to run the Aygo?

[Red Yaris 54]

Jeff, the Aygo's designed as a towncar with probably lower than average mileage? So to get to 70k, you'd probably only see a limited number reaching that in its lifetime? (If that makes sense).

I've seen one or two Aygos around (Autotrader) that were close to that already however the Aygo was never intended to be a motorway/high-miler.

I think that you will find that quite a lot of our Aygo (and 1.0 litre New Yaris) owners will disagree with you there.

The Aygo is quite capable at motorway speeds and some of our members have covered many "out of town" miles in their cars.

My 1.0 litre Yaris...........(same engine) regularly has trips down to Kent and back in the same day, at motorway speeds and the engine fairly hums along...............passing many larger and less economical cars in its stride.

[hora]

My Aygo has been to Southern Germany via Hull and regularly trips to Edinburgh and Surrey from Manchester. Its the level of sustained revs. I'd be lying if I didn't says it hit its maximum revs a few times (NO not from standing starts or reckless driving) and any engine taking that level of abuse/vibration is going to suffer from wear and tear surely?

Due to this I've added a Seat Altea diesel to the household for the longer journeys

[Red Yaris 54]

My Aygo has been to Southern Germany via Hull and regularly trips to Edinburgh and Surrey from Manchester. Its the level of sustained revs. I'd be lying if I didn't says it hit its maximum revs a few times (NO not from standing starts or reckless driving) and any engine taking that level of abuse/vibration is going to suffer from wear and tear surely?

Due to this I've added a Seat Altea diesel to the household for the longer journeys

The little three cylinder 1.0 litre engine is designed to rev high and will be quite capable of withstanding prolonged high revs at motorway speeds.

The problems will come when owners abuse it and constantly over rev (Red line) the engine.

In normal driving that should rarely (if ever) happen.

Some of the Aygo owners on here do not have the option to run a second car for long journeys therefore their Aygo's become good "alrounders".................not just town cars.

[shuffly]

Let us know how you get on Ian :)

How long/how many miles are you planning to run the Aygo?

Well, I've got the Biscuit Tin for 2 years on a PCP deal.....but thanks to good residuals I'm thinking of changing it after maybe 12 ish months, if I can get a deal on a new Blue. The wife prefers the Lagoon blue, so we'll see.

It does 500ish miles per week like clockwork. If I have it for 2 years it will be 50,000 ish at the end.

As for engine life, its quite long geared, so don't have to rag any more than my old Focus. The learners might break it though

Have you got a rev counter, Hora? Could be useful if you haven't.

Ian

[hora]

Some of the Aygo owners on here do not have the option to run a second car for long journeys therefore their Aygo's become good "alrounders".................not just town cars.

Well when we planned our next trip to Europe my other half said 'no way are we going again in the Aygo'!

Ah, ok. Darn, I was going to take it again as it was fun, like a roadtrip B)

Now its going to be a drive/mundane trip down, not an experience

[mini1400]

Jeff, the Aygo's designed as a towncar with probably lower than average mileage? So to get to 70k, you'd probably only see a limited number reaching that in its lifetime? (If that makes sense).

I've seen one or two Aygos around (Autotrader) that were close to that already however the Aygo was never intended to be a motorway/high-miler.

I think that you will find that quite a lot of our Aygo (and 1.0 litre New Yaris) owners will disagree with you there.

The Aygo is quite capable at motorway speeds and some of our members have covered many "out of town" miles in their cars.

My 1.0 litre Yaris...........(same engine) regularly has trips down to Kent and back in the same day, at motorway speeds and the engine fairly hums along...............passing many larger and less economical cars in its stride.

I do 180 miles a day in my Aygo, mostly at motorway speeds, and get 53mpg out of it. Had it two months and done 4500 miles.

When I bought it I was expecting to have to take it back after 500 for a service, not sure what the salesman would of said if it gone 'Can I book a service in 3 days time?'

[marklemac]

Groaning of glass hatch against tub through hard/bumpy-corners.

I've been getting a clunking/knocking type noise from the rear of my Aygo for a few weeks. Almost sounds like the rear glass is knocking.

I can't see anything untoward ? Have got the car booked in next week for a 30k service so hopefully they can find the problem.

[toyboata]

Having placed an order for an aygo...i would expect the car to be reliable while performing anything within its parameters..

So wether i'm in a tunnel under the sea, or up on a mountain, in -5C or +38C, doing 0mph or 70mph i would hope it has been built to handle it...if not, then its a shortfall on reliabilty - which is what i'v bought a toyota for (aygo has other advantages £££)

My first car was a vauxhall corsa 1.7DI, bought BRAND NEW in 2002, on a 52 plate, i sold it last year with 110,000 miles on it..that had done pretty much everything and remained a good strong car, it was still running fine when i sold it, on the orignal clutch & gearbox.

To me, if Vauxhall can do it, i would hope toyota can do it better lol!!

Matt

[PaulT]

I've done about 30000 miles in mine and all seems fine, hope I'm not jinxing it by saying that.

In that time I've probably done 12 or more track days / races and have just been on a long weekend to Bonn including driving nine laps round the Nurburgring. Was very comfortable with the stock seats and engine and mechanicals seem fine.

Paul.