Aygo Blue

[sky0000547]

Hello I am new to the forum.

The GF is looking to part ex her crappy X reg Peugeot 206 1.4 for a the new Aygo Blue in slate blue. She also wants the MMT gearbox. However we are struggling to get any discounts for the Aygo.

Already went to 2 dealers and both wouldn't budge on the £8495 asking price. Did managed to get £1800 and £2000 respectively for part exing the Peugeot which I guess is slightly above book price. Now it would be silly paying £8495 for the Aygo Blue without actually having any price reductions or even some freebie options. One dealer barely managed to offer me £100 off rear parking sensors which I have to pay the remaining £190 for the sensors and fitting. I wouldn't mind they throw in the XtraProtected pack to do deal but they just will not shift.

Part ex is not an ideal bargaining tool but what should I relistically aiming to pay or at least get freebies. I have read many posts and many of you have got significant discounts or even the style pack.

[PLATINUMstar]

Hello I am new to the forum.

The GF is looking to part ex her crappy X reg Peugeot 206 1.4 for a the new Aygo Blue in slate blue. She also wants the MMT gearbox. However we are struggling to get any discounts for the Aygo.

Already went to 2 dealers and both wouldn't budge on the £8495 asking price. Did managed to get £1800 and £2000 respectively for part exing the Peugeot which I guess is slightly above book price. Now it would be silly paying £8495 for the Aygo Blue without actually having any price reductions or even some freebie options. One dealer barely managed to offer me £100 off rear parking sensors which I have to pay the remaining £190 for the sensors and fitting. I wouldn't mind they throw in the XtraProtected pack to do deal but they just will not shift.

Part ex is not an ideal bargaining tool but what should I relistically aiming to pay or at least get freebies. I have read many posts and many of you have got significant discounts or even the style pack.

Aygo's are like rocking horse sh*t at the moment (in Sheffield anyway), you won'tget one till mid to late august. Dealers don't need to discount.

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[Keswick]

I did get a really good discount but if they are hard to come by then there is no point in me givingmore detail as the market must have changed since we got ours in March. I dare say the massive rise in fuel prices has helped sell the Aygo without really trying.

[sky0000547]

Aygo's are like rocking horse sh*t at the moment (in Sheffield anyway), you won't get one till mid to late august. Dealers don't need to discount.

Sheffield was one dealer that I went too.

[Sales King]

Its interesting reading people's comments about car buying and your expectations. I am a salesman in a Toyota Dealership. I have worked for in other Franchise Dealerships too.

It Literally is the case - that the smaller the car, the smaller the price, therefore the smaller the margin.

The margin on an Aygo is tiny, while the demand for the Aygo is greater than supply. I sold an Aygo Blue in April, Toyota advised ETA of August. My point is, Dealers cant get Aygo's soon enough. There is no point or reason to discount a car that is selling as well as it is and that we cant even supply.

If you want a discount, take out GAP and Supagard or other accessories, and ask for a discount on those.

GOOD LUCK

[SJandMR2]

Aygo's are like rocking horse sh*t at the moment

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:lol2: love it!!

yeah have to agree you wont get much of a discount I dont think espically on the new blue, might get stuff thrown in but I dont think they have much of a margin for moving on cost price anyway being a budget car

SJx

[azzy]

Hey I ordered my aygo just over a week ago in Gordon Lamb Sheffield. Got a good price for my 5dr platinum... £7600 (£8200 is list price) YAY! :D I dunno if it will work for you but this is what I did.....

Went to www.broker4cars.co.uk to find the best price they could do the car for (they put you in touch with a dealer anywhere in uk with lowest price- this happened to be Burton) I then called that dealer and gave pt ex details and options etc. Was about to do the deal with them (they would pick up my part x on delivery of aygo)

..... But I thought Id just go down to Gordon Lamb and Pentagon in last ditch effort to see what I could do with the prices Id been given from the other Toyota dealer in Burton. Made sure they knew I wanted to do a deal then and there and got mats and a tank of petrol off Gordon Lamb! NICE. Pentagon didnt wanna know.

Hope this helps

Just waiting very impatiently now!

[Zaaro]

Only thing u can do is tell the salesman you are looking at alternatives like the twingo and say if they arent willing to take anything off the aygo then you will go elsewhere. Then if you can get some cash off, get down to what you want then when ur close to paying etc demand a few other extras.

Since even though the Aygo is in demand it shouldnt make too much difference. At the end of the day the salesman wants to sell you a car and therefore should be willing to budge.

Does she only want the slate blue? no other colour?

Hope it goes well for u!

[Sales King]

Salespeople don't respond well to veiled threats, we have heard all the lines and demands customers come out with.

If you want to buy an inferior product, like a twingo, that will depreciate more heavily than an aygo, thats down to you. You wouldnt be comparing a like for like product in that case.

Salespeople do want people to buy a car from them, but we also like to get paid for the job we do, as I get paid depending on the amount of retained profit in deal, as do many salespeople, there is no point giving cars away.

Competition is fierce and margins are nothing like what customers imagine them to be. Yeah, if you are looking to buy a Land Cruiser I might be able to give you a couple of grand off, but be resonable when it comes to the Aygo.

Of course it makes a difference if a car is in demand. Thats the whole principle of supply and demand.

Because a decent Toyota Dealership contols the level of discount they give, it helps you when it comes to Resale value. Look at the massive discounts Citroen give, people who buy those think they are getting a cracking deal, but residual values on citroen are poor in relation to Toyota. There is a connection.

[Projectzip]

My Dealer told me not to bother with the MMT as its too clunky and doesnt drive that well.

Now you may think its a ploy to get me to buy a manual but hes also a very good friend of mine.

[miss_d_bus]

My Dealer told me not to bother with the MMT as its too clunky and doesnt drive that well.

Now you may think its a ploy to get me to buy a manual but hes also a very good friend of mine.

My MMT seems fine to me. Its rather down to what your expectations are. It does change the way you drive but it does not seem to be that bad. I'm not sure what you mean about a ploy - the MMT is an extra so therefore costs more to buy with it fitted. There are some arguments that it is more economical with the fuel over the manual because it choses the optimum gear based on speed etc whereas the human mind is not so accurate!

[sky0000547]

Hey I ordered my aygo just over a week ago in Gordon Lamb Sheffield. Got a good price for my 5dr platinum... £7600 (£8200 is list price) YAY! :D

..... But I thought Id just go down to Gordon Lamb and Pentagon in last ditch effort to see what I could do with the prices Id been given from the other Toyota dealer in Burton. Made sure they knew I wanted to do a deal then and there and got mats and a tank of petrol off Gordon Lamb! NICE. Pentagon didnt wanna know.

The one I went to was Pentagon Sheffield and they did offer a good price for the part ex but the rest they didn't want to know. Gordon Lamb is my next port of call this weekend. Do you have the name of the sales person you dealt with at Gordon Lamb which you can PM me.

[Parts-King]

Trading is tough in most business' these days, but I do smile when I read people saying "get a tank full of fuel, free servicing, discount on the car" Yes it's a tough world, but there is less than £300 margin in an Aygo, and even with tough trading conditions, that margin does'nt change

Be realistic, you are not going to get discount and an over allowance on your P/EX and freebies on a margin so small, if that is what you want, go and buy something that wont be worth two toots on a ragmans trumpet by the end of the year (I am thinking French here!) :toot:

Kingo

[sky0000547]

Does she only want the slate blue?

She actually wants the Lagoon Blue

As the Aygo has limited colours and she wants aircon and MMT therefore the price of an Aygo+ with those options is the same as an Aygo Blue with less kit so it doesn't make sense to go any lower than an Aygo Blue.

[sky0000547]

Trading is tough in most business' these days, but I do smile when I read people saying "get a tank full of fuel, free servicing, discount on the car" Yes it's a tough world, but there is less than £300 margin in an Aygo, and even with tough trading conditions, that margin does'nt change

Be realistic, you are not going to get discount and an over allowance on your P/EX and freebies on a margin so small, if that is what you want, go and buy something that wont be worth two toots on a ragmans trumpet by the end of the year (I am thinking French here!) :toot:

Kingo

And I wonder why you are driving a Toyota and not something else. Because you work in a Toyota dealership therefore you get some sort of discount for the vehicle that you have purchased. If you didn't get any discount and paying full list price for it I wonder would you have gone somehwere else. Actually no need to answer that I already know what the answer is.

[Parts-King]

And I wonder why you are driving a Toyota and not something else. Because you work in a Toyota dealership therefore you get some sort of discount for the vehicle that you have purchased. If you didn't get any discount and paying full list price for it I wonder would you have gone somehwere else. Actually no need to answer that I already know what the answer is.

I am driving a Toyota because I get one with the job, I don't buy it, I just get stiffed for the tax :D: If I did buy it, there is no extra magic discount for me or anybody else

Seriously though, I am a customer in all other walks of life and of course I want the best deal for myself, all I'm saying is to be realistic. On a car with 10-16 weeks waiting list, who is going to give you one with no margin? only a dealer in dire need of selling that extra car for a manufacturer bonus is the answer. I know of no other business where you turn over £8K to make £300 or less......Do you?

Kingo

[sky0000547]

only a dealer in dire need of selling that extra car for a manufacturer bonus is the answer. I know of no other business where you turn over £8K to make £300 or less......Do you?

Someone might be able to tell me which is better £0 turnover to make £0 profit or £8k turnover to make £300 or less profit.

[Parts-King]

only a dealer in dire need of selling that extra car for a manufacturer bonus is the answer. I know of no other business where you turn over £8K to make £300 or less......Do you?

Someone might be able to tell me which is better £0 turnover to make £0 profit or £8k turnover to make £300 or less profit.

Actually, in your scenario, 0 turnover to make 0 profit would have more advantages as we wouldnt be losing money on the deal

Don't know what line of business you're in but turning over 8K to make £300 or less (3.75% GP) is a sure way to go bust. Thankfully we have other models in the lineup, if we only had Aygo, you wouldnt see Toyota on the high street. I'm trying not to get too bitter over this thread, the point I was trying to make is there is only so much profit in a deal, whether its an Aygo or Landcruiser. 1% ROI after turning over 100 M is one of the smallest margins in any business, Hamburger sellers make considerably more :D: The original thread said However we are struggling to get any discounts for the Aygo I'm trying to explain why the deal you were offered is probably all you are going to get on an Aygo

Kingo

[sky0000547]

Actually, in your scenario, 0 turnover to make 0 profit would have more advantages as we wouldnt be losing money on the deal

Don't know what line of business you're in but turning over 8K to make £300 or less (3.75% GP) is a sure way to go bust. Thankfully we have other models in the lineup, if we only had Aygo, you wouldnt see Toyota on the high street. I'm trying not to get too bitter over this thread, the point I was trying to make is there is only so much profit in a deal, whether its an Aygo or Landcruiser. 1% ROI after turning over 100 M is one of the smallest margins in any business, Hamburger sellers make considerably more :D: The original thread said However we are struggling to get any discounts for the Aygo I'm trying to explain why the deal you were offered is probably all you are going to get on an Aygo

Probably is going slightly OT, but why there is only £300 profit in it? Surely the car didn't cost somewhere like £7k to build etc.

[Parts-King]

Probably is going slightly OT, but why there is only £300 profit in it? Surely the car didn't cost somewhere like £7k to build etc

That is something you would have to take up with Toyota. One of the reasons Toyota went into partnership with PSA (Peugeot Citroen group) is that they are very good at sourcing parts and labour in Europe very cheaply, which Toyota were rubbish at! When you share all the costs split over Toyota, Peugeot, Citroen, you find benefits in making cheaper cars, I have no idea how much they cost to make, all I can say is that they would make considerably more than £300 GP IMHO. Some people forget we are not actually owned by Toyota, we are a franchise and have no say in how much margin there is in a car, we sell their product and they dictate the price

Kingo

[Jeff McCrory]

Actually, in your scenario, 0 turnover to make 0 profit would have more advantages as we wouldnt be losing money on the deal

Don't know what line of business you're in but turning over 8K to make £300 or less (3.75% GP) is a sure way to go bust. Thankfully we have other models in the lineup, if we only had Aygo, you wouldnt see Toyota on the high street. I'm trying not to get too bitter over this thread, the point I was trying to make is there is only so much profit in a deal, whether its an Aygo or Landcruiser. 1% ROI after turning over 100 M is one of the smallest margins in any business, Hamburger sellers make considerably more :D: The original thread said However we are struggling to get any discounts for the Aygo I'm trying to explain why the deal you were offered is probably all you are going to get on an Aygo

Kingo

Agreed, personally i hate buying a car, if I had to haggle everytime i went to tesco or the petrol station i would have a nervous breakdown. I wish buying cars was as simple as buying a dvd. Garages set their own price, not necessarily the RRP, and offer attractively priced extras to attract customers. The buyer looks around to find the best deal and then just purchase without haggling. I guess the car market just doesn't work that way and probably never will. :(

Car salesmen don't do themselves any favours sometimes either, when i went to pay my aygo deposit there was an aygo blue 5 door sitting in the showroom. I said to the sales guy "Oh look you've managed to get an Aygo Blue with 5 doors" and he said "Yes but its not the spec you wanted, it doesn't have the style pack", 2 weeks later my 5 door blue with style pack magically appeared and the display model disappeared.

When i saw the documents it said the style pack was fitted at the dealers, the sales guy said "We ordered a 5dr Blue with style pack but it arrived without so we had to order the parts from Toyota". But my betting was that I got that ex display model with a style pack added. If the Aygo had a visible VIN i would have taken a pic of the display model on my mobile phone and compared on pick up day and demanded a discount for getting an ex-display car. I didnt realise the car had etched windows at the time or I would have taken a picture of that. If he knew full well that he had sold that car it shouldn't have been in the showroom, it should have been held elsewhere securely.

Ultimately I can't prove anything, but what is the general rule with ex-showroom display models, are they just sold as brand new or ex-display? I'm not that bothered, but i did notice the inside door handle was really grubby and the glove box latch looked a bit worn.

[Zaaro]

Just been reading thro all the posts since i posted last night, heres a few things i thought i would reply to:

- The MMT gearbox is brilliant! not clunky at all if u learn how to drive it, not like a typical auto. Much better since u can control the gear change by lifting the pedal when the revs are up (i do wonder how many aygo owners know that) The only like it struggles with switching up in E mode is if on an uphill slant and in that case u can just flick it into manual mode and knock it up a gear.

- As for only making a £300 profit or near there is no way the Aygo or pretty much any cars cost anywhere near how much they are sold for to be built. Especially now with new technology coming out its even cheaper for the manufacturers.

- From reading posts on here i have seen some of the amazing deals people have got regarding knocking money off and getting free extras.

- Personally if it was myself i would look at purchasing a 2nd hand Aygo blue, there quite a few about. Did this when i bought mine, got it when it was exactly a year old. Exactly the same car in my local Toyota dealers was hanging at around the £8k mark and i picked mine up for £6.7k. Was a much needed saving considering my insurance was 1500 :(

[aygothere]

Have been looking to buy another Aygo 5d MMT. Would go for something 6months to 18months old but can't find anything at a decent price.

I have seen some dealers offering used Aygos at more than new list price.

Have decided to get a new one. best prices I have seen are at

http://www.onlinecarslimited.com/

If you see the discounts offered its difficult to believe the dealers only make £300.00

I expect to be ordering in a few weeks time.

[Guest]

I got £700 off my platinum manual 3dr with A/C and protect pack. Simple trick that works with pretty much any new car, get a base price via e-mail from several (at least 3) dealers, then call them all, be open and tell then that you arent bothered where the car comes from and thats its all about price then be bold as brass and keep calling them all and bouncing the prices of each of them.

Tell them that you have a deposit available immediatly on top of your trade in and dont get hung up on any single part of the transaction, look at the total price you will pay including any trade in etc......

The dealers will pretty much sell you a car for list these days on the premise that any profit is better than none, also if its a local dealer they will be interested in hooking you into the aftersales which they make money on.

Mine came from Simms in Northampton by the way if you wanna call em for a best price.

[azzy]

The one I went to was Pentagon Sheffield and they did offer a good price for the part ex but the rest they didn't want to know. Gordon Lamb is my next port of call this weekend. Do you have the name of the sales person you dealt with at Gordon Lamb which you can PM me.

Yeah.... When I went to Pentagon the sales guy didnt even seem bothered about selling one at the full price! He was completely useless. He put me in such a bad mood I didnt even wanna bother with them no matter what deal I could get!! The guy at Gordon Lamb was miles better. His first figure was crazy but didnt take long to negotiate a price I was happy with. His name is Johnathon by the way.

GOOD LUCK!