Aygo Blue

[sky0000547]

Personally if it was myself i would look at purchasing a 2nd hand Aygo blue, there quite a few about. Did this when i bought mine, got it when it was exactly a year old. Exactly the same car in my local Toyota dealers was hanging at around the £8k mark and i picked mine up for £6.7k. Was a much needed saving considering my insurance was 1500 :(

I think it is still quite difficult finding a second hand Aygo especially in MMT. Even on Auto Trader there are not many in there and not even 1 in MMT in the area. Also looking at the prices might as well spend a little more to get a brand new one. £1500 for insurance is quite expensive especially it is only a group 1 car.

[sky0000547]

Yeah.... When I went to Pentagon the sales guy didnt even seem bothered about selling one at the full price! He was completely useless. He put me in such a bad mood I didnt even wanna bother with them no matter what deal I could get!! The guy at Gordon Lamb was miles better. His first figure was crazy but didnt take long to negotiate a price I was happy with. His name is Johnathon by the way.

Thanks for the info. I might pay him a visit. Lets see how my current deals go first.

[Zaaro]

Personally if it was myself i would look at purchasing a 2nd hand Aygo blue, there quite a few about. Did this when i bought mine, got it when it was exactly a year old. Exactly the same car in my local Toyota dealers was hanging at around the £8k mark and i picked mine up for £6.7k. Was a much needed saving considering my insurance was 1500 :(

I think it is still quite difficult finding a second hand Aygo especially in MMT. Even on Auto Trader there are not many in there and not even 1 in MMT in the area. Also looking at the prices might as well spend a little more to get a brand new one. £1500 for insurance is quite expensive especially it is only a group 1 car.

Yea that is true, the MMT's are harder to find.

Yea, was 18 at the time with it being my first year of driving ><

[Sales King]

its hard to say this without sounding off, but you guys are typical of customers who think they know more about buying and selling cars than the motor industry.

Buying a car should be easy. Its the customer(not all customers), not the salespeople, that take the pleasure out of buying a car. There is some degree of flexibility, but every customer over-values their part exchange and has excessive expectations over what deals are possible. Then when you dont get the deal you want, you get all funny about it. Even when you do get the deal you want, you start renegotiating for more.

And only desperate dealers would entertain a dutch auction and offer discounted prices over the phone or by email. Decent dealers are usually too busy selling cars in the showroom, to have to enter into this type of transaction.

We are more honest than many of the people who come in looking to buy a car.

The story about thinking the salesperson wasnt being honest because the car you ordered, which you was told was not available then appeared in the showroom 2 weeks after you took delivery of your similar car, did it not occur to you that more than one aygo is shipped to a dealer at one time and that could be another aygo that arrived the same time as yours did. the style pack and protection pack can be ordered from new, but the accessories can just as easily be retro fitted in the dealer. There is nothing wrong with a car being sold from the showroom, its still a new car and not worth any less than a car not in the showroom. Where is the logic in that it is worth less. Its better in the warmth of a showroom than sitting out in a compound being moved around by careless site drivers.

[Jeff McCrory]

There is nothing wrong with a car being sold from the showroom, its still a new car and not worth any less than a car not in the showroom. Where is the logic in that it is worth less. Its better in the warmth of a showroom than sitting out in a compound being moved around by careless site drivers.

Well he indicated that Aygo Blues where like gold dust when I was ordering and then when i showed up to pay my deposit i was surprised to find one sitting in the showroom. At the same time there was a lovely red yaris sitting over from it with a 4 year old child holding onto the steering wheel and jumping up and down on the seat as hard as possible, so I don't really agree with the warm showroom safety scenario.

However as I said I am not that bothered, and I understand that you are there to make money, you are a business after all, not a charity. At the end of the day I am very pleased with the deal I got and I love my little Aygo.

[sky0000547]

its hard to say this without sounding off, but you guys are typical of customers who think they know more about buying and selling cars than the motor industry.

Buying a car should be easy. Its the customer(not all customers), not the salespeople, that take the pleasure out of buying a car. There is some degree of flexibility, but every customer over-values their part exchange and has excessive expectations over what deals are possible. Then when you dont get the deal you want, you get all funny about it. Even when you do get the deal you want, you start renegotiating for more.

As you said before us coustomers would like to pay as little as possible including yourself. Why pay £8k when you can £7k. Buying a car is just like buying a house, you don't want to pay anymore than you want to. We earn our own money you earn yours. It is natural human instinct that the word 'FREE' would attract more attention than the '£' sign. And is it a concern to a customers whether you make a profit or loss on the deal. I think you need customers more than customers need you.

Obviously I am looking at the customers point of view and you are looking at dealers points of view and both do not want to spend money which is of course normal.

[Parts-King]

There is an impression with customers that there are thousands of pounds worth of profit in every car. 30 Years ago you could get a 25 or 30% discount off a Ford, Vauxhall, Morris etc. That was probably true. There were fields of the ruddy things sitting around rotting away waiting for customers to buy them. Times have changed, cars are very nearly made to order, the manufacturer works out how many cars and what models they are going to sell per year, they then make the cars to suit the busy March/September plate changes. You dont have this flat out production making tens of thousands of cars just to sit around anymore. Because you make cars to a very tight plan, you find that the margins to a dealer were slashed, you dont get very much margin in any car, but you do get bonuses for hitting targets. Good dealers give away some profit in either a discount on the car or an overallowance on your P/EX, desperate dealers do both! There is only so much money in the pot, unfortunatley, the perception is that there are thousands in it, there just isnt

Then you have the situation where a very popular car like the Aygo comes along, and they cant make enough of them! the forces of supply and demand come along, and dealers dont want to discount them, because they can sell all they can get, why would you? Yes I want the best deal for me, you want the best deal for you, it's the way it is, but on cars at the cheaper end of the range, there just isnt the margin in them to give away, so all I would say is be realistic about what discount you get

Kingo

[colinjm]

The finance finishes on our Aygo next April, and we had been considering just giving it back instead of paying the balloon payment. We're moving, and probably wont need a 2nd car anymore.

Thing is, i just looked at the prices on Autotrader and &#33;Removed&#33; hell, we're not giving that back, we can make a nice little profit on buying it and selling it on again.

No wonder we keep getting letters and calls from Toyota asking if we want to upgrade or sell the Aygo now.

[Parts-King]

The finance finishes on our Aygo next April, and we had been considering just giving it back instead of paying the balloon payment. We're moving, and probably wont need a 2nd car anymore.

Thing is, i just looked at the prices on Autotrader and &#33;Removed&#33; hell, we're not giving that back, we can make a nice little profit on buying it and selling it on again.

No wonder we keep getting letters and calls from Toyota asking if we want to upgrade or sell the Aygo now.

Now then, that is what is called a good residual value. If someone is given two grand off a brand new car, then it only worsens the residual value, which is an important factor mentioned by Sales King in an earlier post. MOST Toyota cars have good residual values compared to some French marques, and the main reason is, they are not heavily discounted up front

Kingo

[PaulGP]

At the end of the day a customer will only pay what they want to pay for any new car.

I think with the Aygo, demand is now starting to outstrip supply. The rising cost of petrol & road tax is pushing the smaller more economical car to the forefront (Aygo obviously being the best). The main reason I bought an Aygo was economy.

You cannot knock anyone trying to get themselves the best deal but I think with this car now there is a midway point where the customer will be getting a bit of a discount from list price & a few extras (full tank, mats etc.) & being happy with the deal & the dealer getting enough profit to earn a crust.

Your Aygo will hold value & be easy to sell in the near future.

[sky0000547]

Well after trawling through different dealers up and down the country looking for a good deal on the Aygo Blue. In the end we never managed to buy one . But better still we should be picking up a new Aygo Platinum :P . One dealer couldn't source an Aygo Blue without the long waiting list but several days later called me up and suddenly they have an Aygo Platinum MMT 3dr with A/C in the showroom. Even though we weren't looking at the Platinum but this one ticked all the boxes. The good bit is I'm paying £200 less for the Platinum than the first 2 dealers I went to for their offer on the Blue B) . If all things go to plan, should be picking up the new car this Saturday.

[SJandMR2]

Aaah well one on your purchase. See us blues are just to special..lol

get some pics up when you get it.

SJx

[Zaaro]

see, you have been blessed with a platinum, congrats :) crystal silver is the way to go ;)

[T.F.S.B.I.G.W.S.]

Sounds Good!

[caroline_26]

When we started looking I got a price from http://www.autobytel.co.uk/ and then we started talking to a few dealers. Worked on them from there, seems a bit cruel to play them off one another but they knew we were talking to other dealers and i'm a girl who likes a bargin.

Picked mine up on Tuesday and the waiting list was originally 8/9 weeks, came forward a few weeks too. Got the Platinum in the end, just seemed a good price for all the extra bits, plus the bits we forced out of them!

[sky0000547]

I got the price from www.broker4cars.co.uk which I think has been great on their part and on the dealer part. The deal was stalling at one stage as they can't get hold of an Aygo Blue but the Platinum came through. Just been told the car has been registered this morning and now just have to sort out the insurance and hopefully picking up on Saturday. I think I am looking forward to using the MMT box (i'm just so lazy) :P

[gilesme]

I know this is a Toyota forum, however in my experience the toyota dealers were not willing to do a deal but offered 3 years 0%, but Peugeot were willing to do a good price.

Comments like "go and buy something that wont be worth two toots on a ragmans trumpet by the end of the year (I am thinking French here!)" are a tad misleading.

Difference in residual value over 3 years is 4% in the Aygo favour v 107.

Looks good...until you figure into the deal that I got the same spec car for £1000 less purchase price....

Even without going down discounted cashflow analysis route, the Pug is a better option (and lets not forget is the same motor !).

[Ullevi]

Even without going down discounted cashflow analysis route, the Pug is a better option (and lets not forget is the same motor !).

Sorry,I like the way the Aygo looks compared to the Peugeot and also there may be a difference in the dealerships.

It's Toyota for me over the 107 or C1,every time.

[gilesme]

Hence I started with "I know this is a Toyota forum"....

For me I wasnt too fussed whether Aygo / 107 / C1 - it was the deal that counts.

Reason I got it was to enjoy cheap motoring.... so in my case looks didn't matter too much.

Main point I was trying to make is dont get sucked into the "Toyotas have better residuals" argument.

[Parts-King]

I know this is a Toyota forum, however in my experience the toyota dealers were not willing to do a deal but offered 3 years 0%, but Peugeot were willing to do a good price.

Comments like "go and buy something that wont be worth two toots on a ragmans trumpet by the end of the year (I am thinking French here!)" are a tad misleading.

Difference in residual value over 3 years is 4% in the Aygo favour v 107.

Looks good...until you figure into the deal that I got the same spec car for £1000 less purchase price....

Even without going down discounted cashflow analysis route, the Pug is a better option (and lets not forget is the same motor !).

I re-read my thread and it appears I might be suggesting that a 107 would be worth nothing at the end of the year, I wasnt suggesting that for a minuet, I was trying to generalise about Toyota V French cars as "generally" French cars have bigger discounts up front affecting there residual valve, one thing I did note is that the C1 is typically worth 11% LESS than an Aygo after 2 years when comparing a like for like model

Kingo

[gilesme]

So Toyota king of the residuals, Pug 2nd, Cit 3rd.

Who'd have thought eh !?

Point is, total cost of ownership is what matters, not "residuals".

Used to be the same with "terrible ford residuals". Mondeo cost £15k, after 3 years worth £5k. Equivalent spec BMW cost £20k, after 3 years worth £10k....