Cts In The Real World.

[Tyranical]

How does a CTS match up to a CTR in the real world? On paper, they are very similar if you disregard the ridiculous CTS 0-60 figure. Weight is very close with the CTS being ever so slightly heavier by about 6 kilograms. the Civic has 8bhp more but thats not a big amount at this level, Torque numbers are also extremely close. and both are n/a engines with twin cams (correct me if i'm wrong there, i'm not too good on the old engines) They are also almost identical in size the CTS is 40mm longer and 10mm higher but is not as wide.

So on paper, they are pretty closely matched, i just wondered how out there on the road, in the traffic light grand prix, motorway, country lanes etc how well they match up. I would personally of thought there would be no contest and the CTR would be a world apart but thats only because its the car everyone raves about and the CTS is barely given a mention so noone really knows much about it.

[Red Yaris 54]

How does a CTS match up to a CTR in the real world? On paper, they are very similar if you disregard the ridiculous CTS 0-60 figure. Weight is very close with the CTS being ever so slightly heavier by about 6 kilograms. the Civic has 8bhp more but thats not a big amount at this level, Torque numbers are also extremely close. and both are n/a engines with twin cams (correct me if i'm wrong there, i'm not too good on the old engines) They are also almost identical in size the CTS is 40mm longer and 10mm higher but is not as wide.

So on paper, they are pretty closely matched, i just wondered how out there on the road, in the traffic light grand prix, motorway, country lanes etc how well they match up. I would personally of thought there would be no contest and the CTR would be a world apart but thats only because its the car everyone raves about and the CTS is barely given a mention so noone really knows much about it.

PLEASE NOTE:

If this thread turns into a "Racing on public roads" thread it will be deleted..........................TOC will not condone such posts.

You have been warned :)

[Tyranical]

How does a CTS match up to a CTR in the real world? On paper, they are very similar if you disregard the ridiculous CTS 0-60 figure. Weight is very close with the CTS being ever so slightly heavier by about 6 kilograms. the Civic has 8bhp more but thats not a big amount at this level, Torque numbers are also extremely close. and both are n/a engines with twin cams (correct me if i'm wrong there, i'm not too good on the old engines) They are also almost identical in size the CTS is 40mm longer and 10mm higher but is not as wide.

So on paper, they are pretty closely matched, i just wondered how out there on the road, in the traffic light grand prix, motorway, country lanes etc how well they match up. I would personally of thought there would be no contest and the CTR would be a world apart but thats only because its the car everyone raves about and the CTS is barely given a mention so noone really knows much about it.

PLEASE NOTE:

If this thread turns into a "Racing on public roads" thread it will be deleted..........................TOC will not condone such posts.

You have been warned :)

I wasn't intending it to be, i was just trying to get an idea in my mind of the kind of performance offered by a CTS and i thought a CTR was a good benchmark to compare it to since its one that everyone knows about.

[ae102]

How does a CTS match up to a CTR in the real world? On paper, they are very similar if you disregard the ridiculous CTS 0-60 figure. Weight is very close with the CTS being ever so slightly heavier by about 6 kilograms. the Civic has 8bhp more but thats not a big amount at this level, Torque numbers are also extremely close. and both are n/a engines with twin cams (correct me if i'm wrong there, i'm not too good on the old engines) They are also almost identical in size the CTS is 40mm longer and 10mm higher but is not as wide.

So on paper, they are pretty closely matched, i just wondered how out there on the road, in the traffic light grand prix, motorway, country lanes etc how well they match up. I would personally of thought there would be no contest and the CTR would be a world apart but thats only because its the car everyone raves about and the CTS is barely given a mention so noone really knows much about it.

PLEASE NOTE:

If this thread turns into a "Racing on public roads" thread it will be deleted..........................TOC will not condone such posts.

You have been warned :)

who do you think you are - the lads asking for an opinion - T1T!!!

another new member put off no doudt?

[cabcurtains]

The general consensus is that a CTR is a better handling standard spec car as it has independent rear suspension for starters, not the torsion beam a CTS, the extra power and lower weight make the car quicker in the dry. However this isn't the case in the wet as a CTR doesn't have traction control so it spins the wheels a lot and it also doesn't have a VSA/VSC/ESP system (i dont think). CTR's are certainly a harder car in standard spec than a CTS.

The compressor owners have noted that their cars a slightly faster in a straight line but still loose out in the bends.

I dont race on the road, all this info is what i can remember from previous posts.

[Tyranical]

How does a CTS match up to a CTR in the real world? On paper, they are very similar if you disregard the ridiculous CTS 0-60 figure. Weight is very close with the CTS being ever so slightly heavier by about 6 kilograms. the Civic has 8bhp more but thats not a big amount at this level, Torque numbers are also extremely close. and both are n/a engines with twin cams (correct me if i'm wrong there, i'm not too good on the old engines) They are also almost identical in size the CTS is 40mm longer and 10mm higher but is not as wide.

So on paper, they are pretty closely matched, i just wondered how out there on the road, in the traffic light grand prix, motorway, country lanes etc how well they match up. I would personally of thought there would be no contest and the CTR would be a world apart but thats only because its the car everyone raves about and the CTS is barely given a mention so noone really knows much about it.

PLEASE NOTE:

If this thread turns into a "Racing on public roads" thread it will be deleted..........................TOC will not condone such posts.

You have been warned :)

who do you think you are - the lads asking for an opinion - T1T!!!

another new member put off no doudt?

don't shout at him mate he's a moderator he's just doing his job, although as you said i was only asking for an opinion and wasn't trying to organise a secret undercover street racing event.

Thanks for sticking up for a fellow chesterite though

[ae102]

don't shout at him mate he's a moderator he's just doing his job, although as you said i was only asking for an opinion and wasn't trying to organise a secret undercover street racing event.

Thanks for sticking up for a fellow chesterite though

is your Yaris TS in Thunder grey? passed a minter in Blacon - paint was that shiny it looked wet! Was it you?

[Tyranical]

is your Yaris TS in Thunder grey? passed a minter in Blacon - paint was that shiny it looked wet! Was it you?

It is thunder grey, but i wouldn't be seen in blacon, and mine would only look wet when it rains as i haven't cleaned it once in the 6 months that i've had it :P.

[orcrist_1986]

Back to the original question on this thread

If your comparing completely standard cars, there is hardly any difference.

I have a CTS and my mate has a CTR, before he upgraded is to have a Gruppe M induction and Magnex B-pipe and 6x4 oval backbox and tail pipe, there was no noticable difference.

The only way you will get one car to go faster than the other, basically, comes down to driver ability.

Hope that answers your question mate :D

[UK86_MarK]

I like the performance side of things as much as the next guy...but im going to do the james may thing here and talk about comfort...

In day to day driving, the CTS wins! no contest! It has a comfy, yet sporty interior...climate control and a certain, grown-up feel to it, which is good when your driving to tesco's on a hot day! The slighty softer suppesion makes for a good (little noisy, due to the exhaust but NOT complaining.It sounds awesome!) motorway ride with and enough electronic programs holding you to the road that you can cruise along without worrying about loosing control in the wet and going through the pearly gates backwords in a ball of flames!

Thats my imput lol, Lift rules!!!

Cheers

Mark

P.S: What is it about the 0-62mph time on paper....was it done by my nan!?!?!?!?!

[borodaz]

ctr wins end of lol

[MarcTS]

Basically, I think it goes like this.....

CTS Pros:

Lots of toys

Comfy

Cheaper Insurance

Sleeper (to some extent)

Lift

CTS Cons:

Handling

Resale Value

Not as fast

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CTR Pros:

Straight Line Speed

Cornering/Handling

Styling

CTR Cons:

Expensive to insure

Easy target for cops

Attractive to thieves/hoodies etc

Harder Ride

[Norfolk n Chance]

CTS - Exclusive 'sleeper' car

CTR - As common as flies round

[Onk]

How does a CTS match up to a CTR in the real world? On paper, they are very similar if you disregard the ridiculous CTS 0-60 figure. Weight is very close with the CTS being ever so slightly heavier by about 6 kilograms. the Civic has 8bhp more but thats not a big amount at this level, Torque numbers are also extremely close. and both are n/a engines with twin cams (correct me if i'm wrong there, i'm not too good on the old engines) They are also almost identical in size the CTS is 40mm longer and 10mm higher but is not as wide.

So on paper, they are pretty closely matched, i just wondered how out there on the road, in the traffic light grand prix, motorway, country lanes etc how well they match up. I would personally of thought there would be no contest and the CTR would be a world apart but thats only because its the car everyone raves about and the CTS is barely given a mention so noone really knows much about it.

All,

If you look at the official spec on the Toyota website for a Tsport you will see that it has nearly 10 BHP less than the TypeR and weighs nearly 50Kg more.

This means it is slower. The official 0-60 time is 7.1 seconds. The Type R is more like 6.5 seconds. Here is a link to the spec:

http://www.toyota.co.uk/vs2/oldpdf/05/CO6_61_spec.pdf

As said in previous posts, the Type R is more of a 'banzai' hot hatch which means it handles better but is more uncomfortable. So in a 'track' race the Type R will always win. To get close you'd have to go for the Compressor. It then just comes down to personal preference as to what you are looking for in your car.

Hope this helps. ;)

[Norfolk n Chance]

:o

So one Toyota document says 8.2 seconds and top speed 140mph

And another says 7.1 seconds and top speed 145.94mph

[Hogie]

Its the compressor in that doc

[Onk]

Its the compressor in that doc

Actually, you might be right. The power is too high to be the Tsport.

My point still stands though, the Type R is faster, but actually it depends what you want out of your car.

I agree though the Tsport is faster than 8.1 to 60. I had a MK3 MR2 before the Compressor and a standard T Sport feels about comparable to that in a straight line, that's about 7.7 to 60.

[borodaz]

Its the compressor in that doc

Actually, you might be right. The power is too high to be the Tsport.

My point still stands though, the Type R is faster, but actually it depends what you want out of your car.

I agree though the Tsport is faster than 8.1 to 60. I had a MK3 MR2 before the Compressor and a standard T Sport feels about comparable to that in a straight line, that's about 7.7 to 60.

mate at work has a mk3 mr2 roadster and from a bend he was infont and i had to keep easing off accelerator untill he pulled over then i was away

but about the ctr there is sooo many of these threads, they are faster and a much better car but each to their own im happy with my cts at the moment :)

[Tyranical]

How much faster is a CTR in real world? i mean are you talking worlds apart, or are they relatively close.

[borodaz]

when they start edging infront they gain a couple of lengths you will be hitting crazy speeds by this time.

[Tyranical]

when they start edging infront they gain a couple of lengths you will be hitting crazy speeds by this time.

So we're not talking worlds apart then, just a slight edge.

Reason i'm asking all this by the way is because for my next car, i could in theory afford either of the two cars mentioned here, but i prefer the corolla simply because like my yaris t sport, its a sleeper noone knows a thing about them and the CTR is common as muck. So if they are relatively closely matched i'd go for the 'rolla.

[borodaz]

when they start edging infront they gain a couple of lengths you will be hitting crazy speeds by this time.

So we're not talking worlds apart then, just a slight edge.

Reason i'm asking all this by the way is because for my next car, i could in theory afford either of the two cars mentioned here, but i prefer the corolla simply because like my yaris t sport, its a sleeper noone knows a thing about them and the CTR is common as muck. So if they are relatively closely matched i'd go for the 'rolla.

get the rolla , then fit a k and n typhoon and your laughing

[SW 88]

Its not about comparing the CTS with other cars, most of the cars people compare it to have bigger engines and turbo's.

Im quite proud of the fact that the CTS is a N/A 1.8 and can still hold its own against other cars which have turbos ect.

You have gota like the corolla for what it is.

Probably one of the fastest N/A 1.8 production cars on the road (apart from the old integra type r meby)

[borodaz]

Its not about comparing the CTS with other cars, most of the cars people compare it to have bigger engines and turbo's.

Im quite proud of the fact that the CTS is a N/A 1.8 and can still hold its own against other cars which have turbos ect.

You have gota like the corolla for what it is.

Probably one of the fastest N/A 1.8 production cars on the road (apart from the old integra type r meby)

yeh them integra type r's are gorgeous im a bit disapointed i didnt look at them when i was looking for cts. are the dc5's 1.8 too ?

[SCOOB_81]

Its not about comparing the CTS with other cars, most of the cars people compare it to have bigger engines and turbo's.

Im quite proud of the fact that the CTS is a N/A 1.8 and can still hold its own against other cars which have turbos ect.

You have gota like the corolla for what it is.

Probably one of the fastest N/A 1.8 production cars on the road (apart from the old integra type r meby)

yeh them integra type r's are gorgeous im a bit disapointed i didnt look at them when i was looking for cts. are the dc5's 1.8 too ?

The DC2's a cracking car mate! The DC5 is a 2 litre - and harsh on the insurance :(