Toyota Auris T-sport

[H13RNC]

I dont know if this topic has been up here recently but today I went to the London Motor show and registered my interest as it is due to be announced in March 2009, The staff member did say that it has been announced in principle so he doesnt have any more details yet.

Depending on the offer/package/trade value offered, would you go for one?

I will most def be tempted as long it has the corrolla standards but better,3 door etc

Cheers

H

[ae102]

I dont know if this topic has been up here recently but today I went to the London Motor show and registered my interest as it is due to be announced in March 2009, The staff member did say that it has been announced in principle so he doesnt have any more details yet.

Depending on the offer/package/trade value offered, would you go for one?

I will most def be tempted as long it has the corrolla standards but better,3 door etc

Cheers

H

be more interested than that awful diesel, but...................

the rear doesnt look so clever - think of a micra with a fat ar5e? the side is a bit peugotesque and it looks like they forgot about the mirrors and then just stuck um to the doors. TRD do a tidy front for them but i think there is too much to dislike. if you ever pull up to a t180 see the look the owner gives. and just to be picky - that advert! whats all that about? would feel embarressed to own one everytime i seen the advert. you never know tho - with a facelift they may over come these problems.

what engine are they gonna use? you dare say a diesel!!

[H13RNC]

I dont know if this topic has been up here recently but today I went to the London Motor show and registered my interest as it is due to be announced in March 2009, The staff member did say that it has been announced in principle so he doesnt have any more details yet.

Depending on the offer/package/trade value offered, would you go for one?

I will most def be tempted as long it has the corrolla standards but better,3 door etc

Cheers

H

be more interested than that awful diesel, but...................

the rear doesnt look so clever - think of a micra with a fat ar5e? the side is a bit peugotesque and it looks like they forgot about the mirrors and then just stuck um to the doors. TRD do a tidy front for them but i think there is too much to dislike. if you ever pull up to a t180 see the look the owner gives. and just to be picky - that advert! whats all that about? would feel embarressed to own one everytime i seen the advert. you never know tho - with a facelift they may over come these problems.

what engine are they gonna use? you dare say a diesel!!

Lol I did say that the car looks fat and with a fat ***** I did ask all important questions, noooooo diesel! They dont know what lump they will be using either, I reckon they will go for a 2.0 reason is the car does look heavy and sitting on 17s sooo donk think 1.8 would be suitable. prices will be from £15995 approx. I dont think the car will be like the SR/T180 in terms of styling, i reckon it will be alot more mean looking.

Cant wait actually, more curious then excited at the moment. Hope it eats the Type-R in figures though!

Cheers

H

[ae102]

I dont know if this topic has been up here recently but today I went to the London Motor show and registered my interest as it is due to be announced in March 2009, The staff member did say that it has been announced in principle so he doesnt have any more details yet.

Depending on the offer/package/trade value offered, would you go for one?

I will most def be tempted as long it has the corrolla standards but better,3 door etc

Cheers

H

be more interested than that awful diesel, but...................

the rear doesnt look so clever - think of a micra with a fat ar5e? the side is a bit peugotesque and it looks like they forgot about the mirrors and then just stuck um to the doors. TRD do a tidy front for them but i think there is too much to dislike. if you ever pull up to a t180 see the look the owner gives. and just to be picky - that advert! whats all that about? would feel embarressed to own one everytime i seen the advert. you never know tho - with a facelift they may over come these problems.

what engine are they gonna use? you dare say a diesel!!

Lol I did say that the car looks fat and with a fat ***** I did ask all important questions, noooooo diesel! They dont know what lump they will be using either, I reckon they will go for a 2.0 reason is the car does look heavy and sitting on 17s sooo donk think 1.8 would be suitable. prices will be from £15995 approx. I dont think the car will be like the SR/T180 in terms of styling, i reckon it will be alot more mean looking.

Cant wait actually, more curious then excited at the moment. Hope it eats the Type-R in figures though!

Cheers

H

could be interesting...........

any links to any sneek pics? well it wont be the 2zz unless they rework it............. not like it wasnt a good seller and they must have realised the 180 would never satisy.

[tsporttinny]

I dont know if this topic has been up here recently but today I went to the London Motor show and registered my interest as it is due to be announced in March 2009, The staff member did say that it has been announced in principle so he doesnt have any more details yet.

Depending on the offer/package/trade value offered, would you go for one?

I will most def be tempted as long it has the corrolla standards but better,3 door etc

Cheers

H

be more interested than that awful diesel, but...................

the rear doesnt look so clever - think of a micra with a fat ar5e? the side is a bit peugotesque and it looks like they forgot about the mirrors and then just stuck um to the doors. TRD do a tidy front for them but i think there is too much to dislike. if you ever pull up to a t180 see the look the owner gives. and just to be picky - that advert! whats all that about? would feel embarressed to own one everytime i seen the advert. you never know tho - with a facelift they may over come these problems.

what engine are they gonna use? you dare say a diesel!!

Lol I did say that the car looks fat and with a fat ***** I did ask all important questions, noooooo diesel! They dont know what lump they will be using either, I reckon they will go for a 2.0 reason is the car does look heavy and sitting on 17s sooo donk think 1.8 would be suitable. prices will be from £15995 approx. I dont think the car will be like the SR/T180 in terms of styling, i reckon it will be alot more mean looking.

Cant wait actually, more curious then excited at the moment. Hope it eats the Type-R in figures though!

Cheers

H

could be interesting...........

any links to any sneek pics? well it wont be the 2zz unless they rework it............. not like it wasnt a good seller and they must have realised the 180 would never satisy.

Found this on a greek website !!

http://www.rally.gr/default.asp?menu_code=...rticle_id=14798

Quality pics of the rally version may be the new t sport

[H13RNC]

Lol I did say that the car looks fat and with a fat ***** I did ask all important questions, noooooo diesel! They dont know what lump they will be using either, I reckon they will go for a 2.0 reason is the car does look heavy and sitting on 17s sooo donk think 1.8 would be suitable. prices will be from £15995 approx. I dont think the car will be like the SR/T180 in terms of styling, i reckon it will be alot more mean looking.

Cant wait actually, more curious then excited at the moment. Hope it eats the Type-R in figures though!

Cheers

H

could be interesting...........

any links to any sneek pics? well it wont be the 2zz unless they rework it............. not like it wasnt a good seller and they must have realised the 180 would never satisy.

No links and no sneaks, they are keeping it under wraps. Its gotta be an updated 2zz VVTi-L...

W shall see

[H13RNC]

I dont know if this topic has been up here recently but today I went to the London Motor show and registered my interest as it is due to be announced in March 2009, The staff member did say that it has been announced in principle so he doesnt have any more details yet.

Depending on the offer/package/trade value offered, would you go for one?

I will most def be tempted as long it has the corrolla standards but better,3 door etc

Cheers

H

be more interested than that awful diesel, but...................

the rear doesnt look so clever - think of a micra with a fat ar5e? the side is a bit peugotesque and it looks like they forgot about the mirrors and then just stuck um to the doors. TRD do a tidy front for them but i think there is too much to dislike. if you ever pull up to a t180 see the look the owner gives. and just to be picky - that advert! whats all that about? would feel embarressed to own one everytime i seen the advert. you never know tho - with a facelift they may over come these problems.

what engine are they gonna use? you dare say a diesel!!

Lol I did say that the car looks fat and with a fat ***** I did ask all important questions, noooooo diesel! They dont know what lump they will be using either, I reckon they will go for a 2.0 reason is the car does look heavy and sitting on 17s sooo donk think 1.8 would be suitable. prices will be from £15995 approx. I dont think the car will be like the SR/T180 in terms of styling, i reckon it will be alot more mean looking.

Cant wait actually, more curious then excited at the moment. Hope it eats the Type-R in figures though!

Cheers

H

could be interesting...........

any links to any sneek pics? well it wont be the 2zz unless they rework it............. not like it wasnt a good seller and they must have realised the 180 would never satisy.

Found this on a greek website !!

http://www.rally.gr/default.asp?menu_code=...rticle_id=14798

Quality pics of the rally version may be the new t sport

That is a nice find mate looks cool though

[nrgizerbunny]

isn't that a touring car, splitter looks low for a rally car!

[toweylowey]

well the new engine were building to go in the auris at the moment the ZR with dual VVT-i is only a 1.6 but i have been told it will be goin up to 2.0 engines as well so maybe that could go in it, hopefully still with lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

like the pics of the rally version!!!!

an honda went backwards with there new civic type R so hopefully toyota will go forwards with a new t sport

the only problem with toyota at moment is they are doin loads to reduce emisions for tax reasons an that cos they think this will boost the poor sales at moment

[ae102]

well the new engine were building to go in the auris at the moment the ZR with dual VVT-i is only a 1.6 but i have been told it will be goin up to 2.0 engines as well so maybe that could go in it, hopefully still with lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

like the pics of the rally version!!!!

an honda went backwards with there new civic type R so hopefully toyota will go forwards with a new t sport

the only problem with toyota at moment is they are doin loads to reduce emisions for tax reasons an that cos they think this will boost the poor sales at moment

you work up zone 4?

wouldnt say Honda went backwards - they got a loyal following out of the 36k type r's sold. there all a bit older now - more t sport age maybe hence the type r going down a different road, more comfort and extra's in replacement of IRS sounds familiar.

i think your right on poor sales - loads of 0% finance which isnt normal for Toyota............

[toweylowey]

well the new engine were building to go in the auris at the moment the ZR with dual VVT-i is only a 1.6 but i have been told it will be goin up to 2.0 engines as well so maybe that could go in it, hopefully still with lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

like the pics of the rally version!!!!

an honda went backwards with there new civic type R so hopefully toyota will go forwards with a new t sport

the only problem with toyota at moment is they are doin loads to reduce emisions for tax reasons an that cos they think this will boost the poor sales at moment

you work up zone 4?

wouldnt say Honda went backwards - they got a loyal following out of the 36k type r's sold. there all a bit older now - more t sport age maybe hence the type r going down a different road, more comfort and extra's in replacement of IRS sounds familiar.

i think your right on poor sales - loads of 0% finance which isnt normal for Toyota............

it's zone 3 toyota is on an yeah that's where i work

yeah the new type R has gone forward in comfort an extra's but performance wise which is wot type R's have always been about i think they have gone backwards

yeah the auris just falls out of the cheaper tax band with emisions an it's just not sellin, and the avensis is comin to end of it's life which neva really sold well either

[ae102]

when i delivered there the note said zone 4 - so did the sign for that matter but it was a few years ago ;)

Toyota have been going backwards with the hotter Corolla's since the GTi. The GXi was supposed to be a 147BHP rival to the Astra GSi but insurance companies killed that. They made half an effort with the T Sport which would have been a complete failure if it wasnt for a Yamaha engine............. Honda havent gone backwards - i wouldnt have an old type r but would the new? all UK type R's are step backwards compared to there JDM cousins. there just ageing them so previous peeps who bought the old might get the new - unlikely 5 years on they want such a hardcore car, also filling the gap nicely left open by the Celica and CTS? yeah!

[Onk]

Would have to be a huge step up from T180. Driven that and wasn't impressed; poor interior, poor engine, very poor handling, very vague steering and controls and poor looks.

Rally pics look Ok, but the Auris looks too much like a big Yaris with an ugly butt!

Will be interested to see what they come up with though. To make an impact on the market I think they need to be aggressive, ie aim for Focus ST type power.

[farhanali89]

The auris SR looks nice but again they look really chunky. Personally think not much car for the money. Considering what is on the market today.

I agree that to make an impact they need focus ST type power or something like the VXR.

Toyota has built some great cars in the past but i think they need to do something special with the hot hatches and coupes!

[Hogie]

I sat in that sr at the motor show, hated the inside of it. Gear stick was totally in the wrong place. Id never buy one, even a t sport

[H13RNC]

Guess we should all hope the new t-sport is nothing like the SR. I am also hoping it isnt a turbo charged 2.0!

...

Cheers

H

[T Sport 1978]

Guess we should all hope the new t-sport is nothing like the SR. I am also hoping it isnt a turbo charged 2.0!

...

Cheers

H

The 2.2 diesel is not as bad as some ignorant people here say it is, it isn't going to beat the 2zz but nor is it a bad engine.

4 months into owning a T180 i am qualified to say that the engine is very refined and have good performance, i am averaging 43MPG and I never have any trouble with overtaking anyone on the motorway or otherwise. I have to say that i actually expected more given the torque/power available, but it is probably to do with the Auris being heavy and makes this engine appear under performing.

Taking ALL things into consideration, the car deserves some credit and not the blind slating that it gets as there are plenty of happy owners. For example when people say that T180 owners all give funny looks is just plain retarded... The look of the Auris is not to everyone's taste, but that's the same with any car.

Anyway, those of you who hate it will continue to do so, just as T Sport haters will always complain that it's rubbish and hopeless as a drivers car. Having owned the T Sport i will always defend the T Sport because i have experience owning it and knowing that it is a great car with a great engine, just like i will defend the Auris because i own one and believe that it is a fine car. Not to say that i defend all cars i have owned because you will never see me defend a Renault Megane...

Those who are interested I hope you make a decision based on facts and good luck with it.

[nrgizerbunny]

I don't think the Auris is a bad car. I just don't think its great. but don't get me wrong the corolla isn't either it has some flaws (ie the handling).

What i was dissappointed about when i went around in the Auris T180 or SR - whatever its called now. is the power, i thought it was very poor compared to the equivalent 170hp engine from VAG. In my opinion the VAG diesel is way superior to the T180 in terms of power, fuel econocomy everything. My old 150HP golf diesel felt faster than the Auris.

[T Sport 1978]

I don't think the Auris is a bad car. I just don't think its great. but don't get me wrong the corolla isn't either it has some flaws (ie the handling).

What i was dissappointed about when i went around in the Auris T180 or SR - whatever its called now. is the power, i thought it was very poor compared to the equivalent 170hp engine from VAG. In my opinion the VAG diesel is way superior to the T180 in terms of power, fuel econocomy everything. My old 150HP golf diesel felt faster than the Auris.

Ah... The VAG engine is so gruff that you'd think you are buying a diesel engine belonging to the 80's. I must say the power delivery of the Golf/leon that i test drove was better than the T180, but overall experience of driving the cars the T180 came out top. Reason? Good balance of speed and refinement and comfy-ness. The T180 main strength is in gear speed and not standing start, that is something that i learnt from living with it.

I guess if you was looking for outright pace then the T180 will come short comparing to others, but to own this car i believe would be a better experience overall.

[Cablechap]

I've owned both and at the same time for a short while and I can say the SR/T180's power is much more accessible and during day to day driving I use all of it regularly, whereas the T-Sport very occasionally got to see the otherside of 6200 on the odd duel carriage way. As standard, the T-sport has ultimately more power ie 189 vs 175, however, with a chip the SR/T180 can easily even the score with 210-215bhp. I also had both lowered on TTE and TMS springs and again I felt the SR/T180 went round corners slightly better. Looks are up for debate but again I think the Auris has moved the stakes on again with only the door mirrors looking worse. I would say though that the cabin materials are better on the Corolla.

Back to the original question: I'd be quite interested in a T-Sport Auris but in would need a alot more torque and that is only going to come by increasing the capacity or bolting on a turbo and keeping the weight down. I think it should have larger brakes, wheels and a new grill and front bumper design plus keep the TMS twin exhaust and skirt and other spoilers and skirts. Other biggy includes some decent sport seats and all for under £18,000. Power needs to be around 240ps like the Honda S2000 but as I said with more TORQUES.

[ae102]

I don't think the Auris is a bad car. I just don't think its great. but don't get me wrong the corolla isn't either it has some flaws (ie the handling).

What i was dissappointed about when i went around in the Auris T180 or SR - whatever its called now. is the power, i thought it was very poor compared to the equivalent 170hp engine from VAG. In my opinion the VAG diesel is way superior to the T180 in terms of power, fuel econocomy everything. My old 150HP golf diesel felt faster than the Auris.

Ah... The VAG engine is so gruff that you'd think you are buying a diesel engine belonging to the 80's. I must say the power delivery of the Golf/leon that i test drove was better than the T180, but overall experience of driving the cars the T180 came out top. Reason? Good balance of speed and refinement and comfy-ness. The T180 main strength is in gear speed and not standing start, that is something that i learnt from living with it.

I guess if you was looking for outright pace then the T180 will come short comparing to others, but to own this car i believe would be a better experience overall.

your always right and eveyone else is wrong? the original thread was about a t sport auris and us that registered interest all agreed we wouldnt have the diesel no matter what you say. most reviews on it say dissapointing engine and glancing at the forums a lot of owners are dissapointed. get over it - the t180 is a disapointment to us t sport owners who may want to stay with the same brand. nrgizer has give an unbiased view yet he is also wrong? i think if it was a rough old dog like you claim he would have said. the t sport does have its flaws but excels in other areas and the flaws are easily overcome - the t180'sr doesnt excel anywhere which is probably why the t sport is coming back.

[OldSkoO1]

I'm not here to disagree with anyone - infact i changed from hot hatches for different reasons like longer millage and fingers up to high tax but still want something quick and didn't like the avensis.

I can see why people wouldn't like the auris especially the petrol heads and lets be fair the jap hot hatches are screaming examples of revvy engines that can be very thrilling to drive i know i had the tS and compressor.

The t180 is the complete opposite of the TS but it certainly isn't lacking in power. I know you guys think its a dissapointment but...

I've been driving it well over a year now and everything that had tried it on, GTI, Cooper S, VRs, VAG 170tdi's, Type-R even a stupid idiot in a v6 chrysler 300cc; none of them has been able to show me up in the legal speed bands. Often they couldn't gain. They only thing that did was a 335d. I have a lot of respect for that car simply because i want one next if it isn't too much at the time. The guy wanted a play clearly, so coming off a roundabout i booted it in 3rd and he really was taking his time to get past but he did get past and it took him that long i had to let him in because of oncoming traffic - honestly, it took him a big stretch of road to get past me, but he WAS coming past and honestly again, once his second turbo kicked in at 70mph the gap increased a lot more but it may seem like a lot only because i had to slow to let him in and i don't do stupid speeds and break the law so i sticked at the speed limit.

Finally, the t180 is a tricky one to get a good launch with you have to get the turbo spooled up right and stream your 1st to 2nd gear change well. But again honestly, its not a TS, diesels dont do well in 1st and 2nd but once in 2nd and above, especially 3rd its got A LOT of drivability and a lot of pace where it matters most - it just doesnt feel it especially to you guys used to the noise, lift and revs. I will also say it goes round the track nearly as quick as its big brother the v6 blade and a guy here did say he races them in the toyota sprint series and the times are not far off what the celica 4WD turbo's used to get that he drove; he was impressed.

And yes finally i will admit that the usable power in gear is a lot but it probably wont suit you guys because you like the rev's and the redline so i respect that and i'm not here to change your minds. If I was only doing low mileage each year i'd be sitting in a a hardcore hot hatch. Type-r, even the compressor, s3 or ST.

[Fwazz]

If they bring out a Auris T Sport the Corolla will be getting traded in straight away! Love the shape of the Auris but was not remotely impressed when they only brought out a standard model!

[T Sport 1978]

I don't think the Auris is a bad car. I just don't think its great. but don't get me wrong the corolla isn't either it has some flaws (ie the handling).

What i was dissappointed about when i went around in the Auris T180 or SR - whatever its called now. is the power, i thought it was very poor compared to the equivalent 170hp engine from VAG. In my opinion the VAG diesel is way superior to the T180 in terms of power, fuel econocomy everything. My old 150HP golf diesel felt faster than the Auris.

Ah... The VAG engine is so gruff that you'd think you are buying a diesel engine belonging to the 80's. I must say the power delivery of the Golf/leon that i test drove was better than the T180, but overall experience of driving the cars the T180 came out top. Reason? Good balance of speed and refinement and comfy-ness. The T180 main strength is in gear speed and not standing start, that is something that i learnt from living with it.

I guess if you was looking for outright pace then the T180 will come short comparing to others, but to own this car i believe would be a better experience overall.

your always right and eveyone else is wrong? the original thread was about a t sport auris and us that registered interest all agreed we wouldnt have the diesel no matter what you say. most reviews on it say dissapointing engine and glancing at the forums a lot of owners are dissapointed. get over it - the t180 is a disapointment to us t sport owners who may want to stay with the same brand. nrgizer has give an unbiased view yet he is also wrong? i think if it was a rough old dog like you claim he would have said. the t sport does have its flaws but excels in other areas and the flaws are easily overcome - the t180'sr doesnt excel anywhere which is probably why the t sport is coming back.

I will always be right when it comes to people being a ubik and prejudice against a group of owners so you get over it.

The VAG engine is rough and un-refined... Read Honest John for a starter or any number of articles that concurs with that view.

I did say that the power delivery of the VAG is better and that is something of a trade off i guess, but what i said was that the overall experience of the Auris come up tops of all the cars that i test drove. Thats taking into consideration of all things important to me, and that is more than just plain raw pace.

Like oldskool said, T180's in gear acceleration is the strong point and as i said earlier, not the standing start. We won't beat a TS off the light, but i don't think a TS can out-do a T180 through the gears.

As what i said in other posts, I would ultimately go for a BMW also as i think they have it sussed on diesel technologies. I personally can't afford a BMW, the Toyota is pretty darn close to it and i am proud of that.

[farhanali89]

I don't think the Auris is a bad car. I just don't think its great. but don't get me wrong the corolla isn't either it has some flaws (ie the handling).

What i was dissappointed about when i went around in the Auris T180 or SR - whatever its called now. is the power, i thought it was very poor compared to the equivalent 170hp engine from VAG. In my opinion the VAG diesel is way superior to the T180 in terms of power, fuel econocomy everything. My old 150HP golf diesel felt faster than the Auris.

Ah... The VAG engine is so gruff that you'd think you are buying a diesel engine belonging to the 80's. I must say the power delivery of the Golf/leon that i test drove was better than the T180, but overall experience of driving the cars the T180 came out top. Reason? Good balance of speed and refinement and comfy-ness. The T180 main strength is in gear speed and not standing start, that is something that i learnt from living with it.

I guess if you was looking for outright pace then the T180 will come short comparing to others, but to own this car i believe would be a better experience overall.

your always right and eveyone else is wrong? the original thread was about a t sport auris and us that registered interest all agreed we wouldnt have the diesel no matter what you say. most reviews on it say dissapointing engine and glancing at the forums a lot of owners are dissapointed. get over it - the t180 is a disapointment to us t sport owners who may want to stay with the same brand. nrgizer has give an unbiased view yet he is also wrong? i think if it was a rough old dog like you claim he would have said. the t sport does have its flaws but excels in other areas and the flaws are easily overcome - the t180'sr doesnt excel anywhere which is probably why the t sport is coming back.

I will always be right when it comes to people being a ubik and prejudice against a group of owners so you get over it.

The VAG engine is rough and un-refined... Read Honest John for a starter or any number of articles that concurs with that view.

I did say that the power delivery of the VAG is better and that is something of a trade off i guess, but what i said was that the overall experience of the Auris come up tops of all the cars that i test drove. Thats taking into consideration of all things important to me, and that is more than just plain raw pace.

Like oldskool said, T180's in gear acceleration is the strong point and as i said earlier, not the standing start. We won't beat a TS off the light, but i don't think a TS can out-do a T180 through the gears.

As what i said in other posts, I would ultimately go for a BMW also as i think they have it sussed on diesel technologies. I personally can't afford a BMW, the Toyota is pretty darn close to it and i am proud of that.

Ill agree with that as i think they may not look as sporty but im sure they can keep up well. Been driving a 2.0 diesel volvo and i can honestly say it makes our e200 kompressor feel slow. Newer cars coming onto the market are shockingly quick, The t sport has been out a while now 190bhp and about 132lb of torque it will fall behind alot of newer cars in general. I think the auris is a great car its different made more to again european styling being bulky and large.

Considering how much torque the auris pushes i wouldnt be suprised, the volvo i have been driving is only 136bhp but it moves like anything! I was shocked myself.