Sr180 Poor Mpg

[gabell]

Looks like I am not the only one getting below par figures for MPG.

I average about 38 going to work and back, 20 mile journey at 50mph. So would have assume I would at least have got the combined figure of 45 as stated by Toyota.

On a long motorway run it climbs up to about 45. Still nowhere near the stated figures.

If I drive like a Nun, I can get my 38MPG up to an average of 42 over a tank full.

I have done about 6K miles and would assume the engine is now "run in".

I did have a 2.2 Honda Civic Diesel prior to this and to be honest, that got an average of 50 MPG and I achieved 60+ on the motorways. Although it only had 138 BHP it felt much more responsive and I've been left behind at traffic lights on several occassions by one.

The Auris is very sluggish to get going (below 2000rpm), to the point that 1.6/1.7 diesels leave me standing in the first 30 yards. I can't complain about the speed of response once the Turbo kicks in.

I was wondering if others also feel like they are getting poor MPG and poor response below 2000 revs.

I wonder if Toyota have a Remap available, I think I'll ask when it goes in for its first service in January.

Other than that, I may look at fitting a chip or third party remap to increase the MPG although they are difficult and very expensive to source for this model.

If that fails, I'll be changing it and going for a car with the VAG engine. Maybe the Skoda Octavia - cheaper than VW and Audi's and have more kit.

So Come on Toyota - either come clean about official MPG or get the engine map fixed......

[banzaijoe]

There is a knack to driving a diesel, and the shift-up light on the dashboard is actually very good at helping you do this. You can actually make pretty decent progress without much lag by changing up at 2000rpm. Do this and you'll definitely improve your mpg.

I regularly achieve over 50mpg, and even when driving hell-for-leather on the race track the car will never dip down to 38.

[Parts-King]

The Auris performs best between 2000 and 2600 RPM where it pulls a massive 400NM of torque, something you wont get with Skoda or indeed many other cars. You cant drive a torquey Diesel like a petrol engine, you need to adapt your driving style a little and use the torque band to good effect, example,

to the point that 1.6/1.7 diesels leave me standing in the first 30 yards.

They probably will, but who wins the battle after 30 yards? your SR180 easily, pulling all the way through to breaking the speed limit. You either want a car with pulling power from the lights (probably petrol) or you want something that pulls like a train with 400NM 0f torque, your SR180 gives you torque AND good fuel MPG, but you will have to cool it from the lights ;)

Kingo

PS Toyota don't provide the official fuel consumption figures, so cant "come clean" over them, they are created from a set of specific criteria that the goverment set, you cant "fiddle" them ;)

[gabell]

There is a knack to driving a diesel, and the shift-up light on the dashboard is actually very good at helping you do this. You can actually make pretty decent progress without much lag by changing up at 2000rpm. Do this and you'll definitely improve your mpg.

I regularly achieve over 50mpg, and even when driving hell-for-leather on the race track the car will never dip down to 38.

Already do that. I make sure I don't go over 2000 revs when trying to get the best MPG but the best I get is 42.

[gabell]

The Auris performs best between 2000 and 2600 RPM where it pulls a massive 400NM of torque, something you wont get with Skoda or indeed many other cars. You cant drive a torquey Diesel like a petrol engine, you need to adapt your driving style a little and use the torque band to good effect, example,

to the point that 1.6/1.7 diesels leave me standing in the first 30 yards.

They probably will, but who wins the battle after 30 yards? your SR180 easily, pulling all the way through to breaking the speed limit. You either want a car with pulling power from the lights (probably petrol) or you want something that pulls like a train with 400NM 0f torque, your SR180 gives you torque AND good fuel MPG, but you will have to cool it from the lights ;)

Kingo

PS Toyota don't provide the official fuel consumption figures, so cant "come clean" over them, they are created from a set of specific criteria that the goverment set, you cant "fiddle" them ;)

I am, a bit confused. Ive seen many people refer to the fact that you need to drive a diesel differently and use the Torque rather than the BHP.

I assumed I had to change gear prior to 2000 revs unless I wanted to race !.

I have been driving under 2000 revs for the past month or so and my MPG still only averages around 40.

I don't think I am the only one in this boat, I was wondering if there was a magic fix (remap) from Toyota. OR can anyone recommend a reasonably priced rampa service.

[Parts-King]

There is no magic remap, try driving the car using the gear change indicator light, and once moving, keeping between 2000-2600RPM which is where most of the power is (up to a max 3600) sounds to me like you might be labouring the engine under 2K which is worse than using the revs when you need to

Kingo

[gabell]

There is no magic remap, try driving the car using the gear change indicator light, and once moving, keeping between 2000-2600RPM which is where most of the power is (up to a max 3600) sounds to me like you might be labouring the engine under 2K which is worse than using the revs when you need to

Kingo

I have been trying this today even though the change up light comes on well before the 2000revs. The only thing is, in town when its 30mph I never get out of 3rd. I also don't get into 5th until i'm doing about 50mph and 6th is only achievable on motorways using this guide.

I always assumed that I needed to get up to the highest gear possible very quickly and tended to run at around 1500rpm and changing gear around 1800rpm.

Out of interest, I have also seen better mpg after pushing the engine hard, which I assume is the soot getting blown out and the DPF getting cleared.

I'll continue with it for a tank full and see if it increases my mpg.

p.s. can I assume that during accelaration its best to keep arounf 2500 revs, but once I'm up to speed I can step up a gear and cruise at constant speed under the 2000 revs.

Thanks in anticipation.

Graham

[OldSkoO1]

There is no magic remap, try driving the car using the gear change indicator light, and once moving, keeping between 2000-2600RPM which is where most of the power is (up to a max 3600) sounds to me like you might be labouring the engine under 2K which is worse than using the revs when you need to

Kingo

I have been trying this today even though the change up light comes on well before the 2000revs. The only thing is, in town when its 30mph I never get out of 3rd. I also don't get into 5th until i'm doing about 50mph and 6th is only achievable on motorways using this guide.

I always assumed that I needed to get up to the highest gear possible very quickly and tended to run at around 1500rpm and changing gear around 1800rpm.

Out of interest, I have also seen better mpg after pushing the engine hard, which I assume is the soot getting blown out and the DPF getting cleared.

I'll continue with it for a tank full and see if it increases my mpg.

p.s. can I assume that during accelaration its best to keep arounf 2500 revs, but once I'm up to speed I can step up a gear and cruise at constant speed under the 2000 revs.

Thanks in anticipation.

Graham

If it were petrol that would work

But either fuel labouring the engine is bad.

As you have seen you will get the same MPG even with pushing the engine; this is because the torque is available so early.

As mentioned already, accelerate quickly up to speed. I tend not to change as soon as the arrows light up. Take the revs up to 2.6k rpm then change but do it fairly quickly. Keep it around 2k at a steady speed. No need to press the throttle too much. The t180 responds and keeps a steady speed with only a slight touch of the throttle. Also try to break less - this will make you come off the fuel pedal earlier therefore saving more fuel.

But as said, use the magic band between 1.8 and 2.6k rpm this is where the car delivers the max amount of shove/torque when the turbo forces all the air into the engine to make the most of the fuel burnt. This is also when the engine is working most effeciently. Drive in or around this range and the car will respond well.

The diesel engine if a heavy lump to lug around, the car is put under quite heavy stress trying to accelerate from 1.5k. The turbo isn't active and pushing in enough air at that engine speed therefore more fuel is needed to get the car producing enough power to move. So keeping it between 2 and 2.6k also helps consumption.

Also don't forget the other civics and golfs are only 2.0ltr engines, the sr180 is 2.2 capacity.

Also the VAG and honda diesels are setup slightly differently. Their turbo's tend to kick in earlier so they will give you minimal lag and more instant response from a standing start but the downside is they run out of puff sooner.

The sr180 mapping and turbo is slightly different in its delivery. The power is delivered later and lasts longer. I actually prefer how it is mapped because it gives more performance when its needed. 99% of performance is needed when moving. sr180 delivers it then for longer without a gearchange. Very rarely do i need any performance off the line but if i do just enure you rev up to 2k rpm to get the turbo spooled up to deliver the air and you will shoot off the line - kills mpg though :)

[T Sport 1978]

There is no magic remap, try driving the car using the gear change indicator light, and once moving, keeping between 2000-2600RPM which is where most of the power is (up to a max 3600) sounds to me like you might be labouring the engine under 2K which is worse than using the revs when you need to

Kingo

I have been trying this today even though the change up light comes on well before the 2000revs. The only thing is, in town when its 30mph I never get out of 3rd. I also don't get into 5th until i'm doing about 50mph and 6th is only achievable on motorways using this guide.

I always assumed that I needed to get up to the highest gear possible very quickly and tended to run at around 1500rpm and changing gear around 1800rpm.

Out of interest, I have also seen better mpg after pushing the engine hard, which I assume is the soot getting blown out and the DPF getting cleared.

I'll continue with it for a tank full and see if it increases my mpg.

p.s. can I assume that during accelaration its best to keep arounf 2500 revs, but once I'm up to speed I can step up a gear and cruise at constant speed under the 2000 revs.

Thanks in anticipation.

Graham

If it were petrol that would work

But either fuel labouring the engine is bad.

As you have seen you will get the same MPG even with pushing the engine; this is because the torque is available so early.

As mentioned already, accelerate quickly up to speed. I tend not to change as soon as the arrows light up. Take the revs up to 2.6k rpm then change but do it fairly quickly. Keep it around 2k at a steady speed. No need to press the throttle too much. The t180 responds and keeps a steady speed with only a slight touch of the throttle. Also try to break less - this will make you come off the fuel pedal earlier therefore saving more fuel.

But as said, use the magic band between 1.8 and 2.6k rpm this is where the car delivers the max amount of shove/torque when the turbo forces all the air into the engine to make the most of the fuel burnt. This is also when the engine is working most effeciently. Drive in or around this range and the car will respond well.

The diesel engine if a heavy lump to lug around, the car is put under quite heavy stress trying to accelerate from 1.5k. The turbo isn't active and pushing in enough air at that engine speed therefore more fuel is needed to get the car producing enough power to move. So keeping it between 2 and 2.6k also helps consumption.

Also don't forget the other civics and golfs are only 2.0ltr engines, the sr180 is 2.2 capacity.

Also the VAG and honda diesels are setup slightly differently. Their turbo's tend to kick in earlier so they will give you minimal lag and more instant response from a standing start but the downside is they run out of puff sooner.

The sr180 mapping and turbo is slightly different in its delivery. The power is delivered later and lasts longer. I actually prefer how it is mapped because it gives more performance when its needed. 99% of performance is needed when moving. sr180 delivers it then for longer without a gearchange. Very rarely do i need any performance off the line but if i do just enure you rev up to 2k rpm to get the turbo spooled up to deliver the air and you will shoot off the line - kills mpg though :)

My gf has recently purchased a used A3 with 2.0TDI (140 bhp) and it was a car that i found for her... After living with it for a while now and of course also driving it myself, i can say the following:

The Audi/VW setup is nice, power delivery is early but its well sustained at higher revs, it can keep up with my T180 on the motorway until 85+ when only then does the Auris power count. Even then the Audi does not get left behind... I was quite amazed by this as on paper there are 30+bhp and 40+lb/ft of torque difference.

In the process of choosing her car we had also looked at BWW(120d / 118d), and i belive that the BMW is still the benchmark engine for diesel in all aspects. Economy, emission, power delivery and smoothness the BWM 2.0d just excels, I would say the Audi/VW 2.0d comes second, then our 2.2d 3rd. Even though on paper our 2.2 looks superior, in real life and in the Auris's setup, it just isn't.

Saying all that, i am still very VERY happy with mine. I love how smooth it is (smoother than Audi), how brutal it can be when i really step on it, but it is a fact that it isn't as economical or easy to use (power wise) as my gf's Audi.

As for getting the most economical drive out of our Auris... Well at the moment i am still averaging 42-43MPG per tank after owning it for 6 months, my driving style varies depending on my mood and I drive pretty swiftly on the motorway. When i feel like being economical i tend to do all my gear changes below 2000revs and before the shift light comes on and in town (if i can) i tend to cruise at 30mph in 4th gear and find this spot on.

I personally believe that if you had previously owned an Audi/VW diesel and you moved to an Auris, you are going to find it hard to drive it economically. The Auris 2.2 definitely needs to be driven with care and with a certain style in order for it to be economical, people just need to accept this and try it before making their mind up that it is crap. I think i have been open minded about Auris as i have never owned a diesel before, and hence i have been able to achieve a decent MPG figure out of mine.

Anyways...My 2 pennies!

[andytran]

engine speed therefore more fuel is needed to get the car producing enough power to move. So keeping it between 2 and 2.6k also helps consumption.

Also don't forget the other civics and golfs are only 2.0ltr engines, the sr180 is 2.2 capacity.

The new Civic is actually a 2.2 and easily achieves 50mpg in every day use.

Its just a bag of poo in other areas - look at the honda forums - the civic owners aint happy! Looking at the forums stopped me buying a Civic and made me buy an auris!

Andy

[T Sport 1978]

The new Civic is actually a 2.2 and easily achieves 50mpg in every day use.

Its just a bag of poo in other areas - look at the honda forums - the civic owners aint happy! Looking at the forums stopped me buying a Civic and made me buy an auris!

Andy

Apart from the problems that i have heard about the Civics, I just can't get pass the comical/toy look of the thing. Some love it, it just looks funny to me...personal opinion.

I admired the old Civic Type R as at the time i had the Corolla T Sport and the Corolla was always second fiddle to the CTR, but as soon as the new civic platform came out i knew that the new Type R would be inferior to the old one... Which doesn't say much about the direction Honda was travelling toward, backward!

As for the Auris, I researched and researched when I was changing from the T Sport, despite knowing that Audi/VW has a better set up with the engines, I still believe i made the right choice based on the overall ownership experience I had with me Corolla... Its proven to be right as the Auris has been brilliant and Toyota service is still as good as ever.

Credit where it's due...Keep it up Mr Toyota.

[Bry]

Join the club, its just the way the 180 is, it guzzles fuel and under performs, Toyota have messed up big style with this DPF design but will never admit it, along with plenty on here who will defend it. Its not your driving, its the engine. Claimed 46mpg combined should be easy to achieve + 20% more without resorting to ridiculous driving methods as advised!

[mbrennan29]

Join the club, its just the way the 180 is, it guzzles fuel and under performs, Toyota have messed up big style with this DPF design but will never admit it, along with plenty on here who will defend it. Its not your driving, its the engine. Claimed 46mpg combined should be easy to achieve + 20% more without resorting to ridiculous driving methods as advised!

Here we go again!!!!

To the op, the claimed mpg as stated by toyota is easy to achieve if you drive it properly (driving a diesel is a lot different to driving petrol, if you drive it the same as you drive a petrol you wont get v good mpg) myself and numerous others have posted pictures of proof on this forum in another thread that we are achieving the stated mpg and well above in certain situations.

If you listen to Bry he will do nothing but slag the engine and put it down, he just doesnt know how to get the best out of it. Most of the driving techniques which he claims are ridiculous are actually driving techniques used by advanced drivers and will return at LEAST the stated mpg if implemented into your driving style.

Click here to see the pictures proving that above stated MPG IS possible if you drive it right.

[Bry]

Join the club, its just the way the 180 is, it guzzles fuel and under performs, Toyota have messed up big style with this DPF design but will never admit it, along with plenty on here who will defend it. Its not your driving, its the engine. Claimed 46mpg combined should be easy to achieve + 20% more without resorting to ridiculous driving methods as advised!

Here we go again!!!!

To the op, the claimed mpg as stated by toyota is easy to achieve if you drive it properly (driving a diesel is a lot different to driving petrol, if you drive it the same as you drive a petrol you wont get v good mpg) myself and numerous others have posted pictures of proof on this forum in another thread that we are achieving the stated mpg and well above in certain situations.

If you listen to Bry he will do nothing but slag the engine and put it down, he just doesnt know how to get the best out of it. Most of the driving techniques which he claims are ridiculous are actually driving techniques used by advanced drivers and will return at LEAST the stated mpg if implemented into your driving style.

Click here to see the pictures proving that above stated MPG IS possible if you drive it right.

So you have to go on a special theoretical, sorry, practical driving course to get 45 mpg out of a 180 engine, that is unique to the 180 engine? I already said many times or is it perhaps some need to go on a more important course on reading and listening? I never had this problem with any other car, diesel (I have had dozens and currently have 2, along with a petrol 330i BMW that averages 35mpg!)) I have always achieved above claimed. In the millions of miles I have driven! 4 wheels, 2 wheels etc. etc. I actually get more mpg than most inluding the poster of the reply!

[mbrennan29]

Join the club, its just the way the 180 is, it guzzles fuel and under performs, Toyota have messed up big style with this DPF design but will never admit it, along with plenty on here who will defend it. Its not your driving, its the engine. Claimed 46mpg combined should be easy to achieve + 20% more without resorting to ridiculous driving methods as advised!

Here we go again!!!!

To the op, the claimed mpg as stated by toyota is easy to achieve if you drive it properly (driving a diesel is a lot different to driving petrol, if you drive it the same as you drive a petrol you wont get v good mpg) myself and numerous others have posted pictures of proof on this forum in another thread that we are achieving the stated mpg and well above in certain situations.

If you listen to Bry he will do nothing but slag the engine and put it down, he just doesnt know how to get the best out of it. Most of the driving techniques which he claims are ridiculous are actually driving techniques used by advanced drivers and will return at LEAST the stated mpg if implemented into your driving style.

Click here to see the pictures proving that above stated MPG IS possible if you drive it right.

So you have to go on a special theoretical, sorry, practical driving course to get 45 mpg out of a 180 engine, that is unique to the 180 engine? I already said many times or is it perhaps some need to go on a more important course on reading and listening? I never had this problem with any other car, diesel (I have had dozens and currently have 2, along with a petrol 330i BMW that averages 35mpg!)) I have always achieved above claimed. In the millions of miles I have driven! 4 wheels, 2 wheels etc. etc. I actually get more mpg than most inluding the poster of the reply!

Well i can easily get 57.4 mpg out of my Auris T180 as my pictures in the previous thread proved. You cant do that can you or you wouldnt be moaning!!! enough said.

[gabell]

:( Well I've tried the techniques mentioned and my mpg has actually gone down to 37mpg.

I have virtually lost patience with the car and have started looking for a replacement. I don't need as much power as the Auris SR180 so I've been looking at a Skoda Octavia Estate 140BHP with the new CR engine. I have also looked at the Golf & Passat estates but think they are overpriced.

The little Pug 308 SW also looks nice but the engines don't seem as good.

Now I just need to decide if I wait for the facelifted Skoda Octavia (due in January) or try and get a good deal in the current climate.

[cabcurtains]

:( Well I've tried the techniques mentioned and my mpg has actually gone down to 37mpg.

I have virtually lost patience with the car and have started looking for a replacement. I don't need as much power as the Auris SR180 so I've been looking at a Skoda Octavia Estate 140BHP with the new CR engine. I have also looked at the Golf & Passat estates but think they are overpriced.

The little Pug 308 SW also looks nice but the engines don't seem as good.

Now I just need to decide if I wait for the facelifted Skoda Octavia (due in January) or try and get a good deal in the current climate.

The MPG may be low but the cost to change will be £1,000s. No improvement in fuel economy can pay for the massive depreciation hit you will incur. Unless you are massively wealthy it makes no sense to loose all that money.

I have the VAG 2.0 TDI CR 140PS in my Passat, it returns 44MPG in town and 48MPG on the motorway at 80-85.

[ae102]

the editor of Banzai rekons he gets 50mpg including racing it on the track in the Toyota sprint series - but Toyota give him the cars! seems to be the most common thread on the Auris forums - everyone says poor performance and economy. one owner on this thread was adamant on all other similar threads that everyone else is wrong and the VAG were crap - looks like he's started to backtrack! one satisfied owner and all these complaints - looks like the Toyota dropped a poo smelling bomb with the T Sport replacement. the figures you guys quote for mpg are easily achieved in the 2zz and v power is way cheaper than derv. if its a company car then you have limited choice but to spend your own hard earned on the 180 - you need your head checking i'm afraid.

[T Sport 1978]

the editor of Banzai rekons he gets 50mpg including racing it on the track in the Toyota sprint series - but Toyota give him the cars! seems to be the most common thread on the Auris forums - everyone says poor performance and economy. one owner on this thread was adamant on all other similar threads that everyone else is wrong and the VAG were crap - looks like he's started to backtrack! one satisfied owner and all these complaints - looks like the Toyota dropped a poo smelling bomb with the T Sport replacement. the figures you guys quote for mpg are easily achieved in the 2zz and v power is way cheaper than derv. if its a company car then you have limited choice but to spend your own hard earned on the 180 - you need your head checking i'm afraid.

Well i have never managed 470 miles out of my 55 litres tank in the T Sport no matter how careful i drove, this is something that i achieve regularly in my T180. Back in the T Sport i would normally get 270-290 out of the same capacity tank. The performance i get out of the T180 on the motorway where this car excels is better than my old T Sport in every sense. Since i spend majority of time motorway driving, I would say this is a superior car for me personally.

I have said it before and say this again, it is all about the way you drive and how the car is used (conditions/environment etc). If you guys are having such a hard time achieving these figures then there is possibly a problem, but to say that the car is crap when there are plenty more people out there with a satisfied experience is just silly.

AE102, you have a personal dislike to diesel cars and you have made personal subjective attacks on such cars before and regularly continue to do so now. Your views are totally distorted and offers nothing to anyone looking for constructive advise. I don't think you understand constructive criticism, its pretty angry actually. I think you have issues that you need to address mate.

[Nerfie]

get around 40-45 outta the Rav T180 personally.. I think, Ill check :)

Considering how much of a hulking beast it is comparitively to the Auris, I can only assume you're doing it wrong or there is something wrong with your car ;0

[OldSkoO1]

I'll add my comments in again

I regularly achieve 42-47mpg on my journeys. Towards the lower end really as i drive hard and its getting colder.

However all these people with low MPG should really think about what journeys they are doing. For example:

I make 1 journey that is 1/3 town, 2/3rds a roads with lots of roundabouts and junctions. On that journey it will get 43mpg but only after i have driven the full 22 miles.

Around town you will not get more than 36/37mpg, sometimes as low as 32/33mpg.

Give it an un-interupted stretch of A road or dual carridgeway and the results are a lot more pleasing, 45-54mpg - but you need to give it a run.

Anyone that is doing a sub 20mile journey which includes stop / start and town your going to struggle to get the stated 45mpg but you should be getting in the 40's.

The oddball is the m-way. At or around 70 constant you wont be in the 50mpg bracket. You'll see about 42-45.

50mpg + for me is only achievable on free flowing traffic on mid to long runs on 50-60 mph roads.

[Cablechap]

the editor of Banzai rekons he gets 50mpg including racing it on the track in the Toyota sprint series - but Toyota give him the cars! seems to be the most common thread on the Auris forums - everyone says poor performance and economy. one owner on this thread was adamant on all other similar threads that everyone else is wrong and the VAG were crap - looks like he's started to backtrack! one satisfied owner and all these complaints - looks like the Toyota dropped a poo smelling bomb with the T Sport replacement. the figures you guys quote for mpg are easily achieved in the 2zz and v power is way cheaper than derv. if its a company car then you have limited choice but to spend your own hard earned on the 180 - you need your head checking i'm afraid.

Well i have never managed 470 miles out of my 55 litres tank in the T Sport no matter how careful i drove, this is something that i achieve regularly in my T180. Back in the T Sport i would normally get 270-290 out of the same capacity tank. The performance i get out of the T180 on the motorway where this car excels is better than my old T Sport in every sense. Since i spend majority of time motorway driving, I would say this is a superior car for me personally.

I have said it before and say this again, it is all about the way you drive and how the car is used (conditions/environment etc). If you guys are having such a hard time achieving these figures then there is possibly a problem, but to say that the car is crap when there are plenty more people out there with a satisfied experience is just silly.

AE102, you have a personal dislike to diesel cars and you have made personal subjective attacks on such cars before and regularly continue to do so now. Your views are totally distorted and offers nothing to anyone looking for constructive advise. I don't think you understand constructive criticism, its pretty angry actually. I think you have issues that you need to address mate.

Agreed, only ever got 270-290 on a full tank out of my T-Sport, manage 425+ mixed driving out of my T180 every time, and I heard from another owner that it is achieveable even with a 215 bhp chipped car.

[Bry]

the editor of Banzai rekons he gets 50mpg including racing it on the track in the Toyota sprint series - but Toyota give him the cars! seems to be the most common thread on the Auris forums - everyone says poor performance and economy. one owner on this thread was adamant on all other similar threads that everyone else is wrong and the VAG were crap - looks like he's started to backtrack! one satisfied owner and all these complaints - looks like the Toyota dropped a poo smelling bomb with the T Sport replacement. the figures you guys quote for mpg are easily achieved in the 2zz and v power is way cheaper than derv. if its a company car then you have limited choice but to spend your own hard earned on the 180 - you need your head checking i'm afraid.

Well i have never managed 470 miles out of my 55 litres tank in the T Sport no matter how careful i drove, this is something that i achieve regularly in my T180. Back in the T Sport i would normally get 270-290 out of the same capacity tank. The performance i get out of the T180 on the motorway where this car excels is better than my old T Sport in every sense. Since i spend majority of time motorway driving, I would say this is a superior car for me personally.

I have said it before and say this again, it is all about the way you drive and how the car is used (conditions/environment etc). If you guys are having such a hard time achieving these figures then there is possibly a problem, but to say that the car is crap when there are plenty more people out there with a satisfied experience is just silly.

AE102, you have a personal dislike to diesel cars and you have made personal subjective attacks on such cars before and regularly continue to do so now. Your views are totally distorted and offers nothing to anyone looking for constructive advise. I don't think you understand constructive criticism, its pretty angry actually. I think you have issues that you need to address mate.

Unfortunately, no matter how many people express their disappointment with this thirsty, under performing example of an engine, the Toyota "REPS" will try to shoot you down with claims that you cannot drive, you hate diesels, you hate Toyota etc etc!!!

They do not consider that some of us might just be able to drive a little incy bit and have much more experience, but more importantly, have many examples to compare to than them!

If I get 53mpg (claimed combined is 49.6) out of a 150 CDTi driving it in exactly the same manner I drive a T180 and it gets 39 (claimed 45.6) HOW THE HELL CAN IT BE MY DRIVING??? And the 150HP CDTi feels easily as quick!

[Bry]

the editor of Banzai rekons he gets 50mpg including racing it on the track in the Toyota sprint series - but Toyota give him the cars! seems to be the most common thread on the Auris forums - everyone says poor performance and economy. one owner on this thread was adamant on all other similar threads that everyone else is wrong and the VAG were crap - looks like he's started to backtrack! one satisfied owner and all these complaints - looks like the Toyota dropped a poo smelling bomb with the T Sport replacement. the figures you guys quote for mpg are easily achieved in the 2zz and v power is way cheaper than derv. if its a company car then you have limited choice but to spend your own hard earned on the 180 - you need your head checking i'm afraid.

BIG BIG difference!!!!!!

The car will not have had a DPF fitted!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is the DPF sytem that causes the the guzzling!!!!!!!!!

[chunkyhunk56]

the editor of Banzai rekons he gets 50mpg including racing it on the track in the Toyota sprint series - but Toyota give him the cars! seems to be the most common thread on the Auris forums - everyone says poor performance and economy. one owner on this thread was adamant on all other similar threads that everyone else is wrong and the VAG were crap - looks like he's started to backtrack! one satisfied owner and all these complaints - looks like the Toyota dropped a poo smelling bomb with the T Sport replacement. the figures you guys quote for mpg are easily achieved in the 2zz and v power is way cheaper than derv. if its a company car then you have limited choice but to spend your own hard earned on the 180 - you need your head checking i'm afraid.

BIG BIG difference!!!!!!

The car will not have had a DPF fitted!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is the DPF sytem that causes the the guzzling!!!!!!!!!