Corolla T-sport Power Fc, Camcon.

[farhanali89]

Right guys i have been reading up on performance for the t-sport engine!

First of all it seems that the best way to increase performance for a small ammount of money is to get a typhoon kit.

Now my question to you all who have one fitted is how do you feel the typhoon has affected performance.

Is it worth parting with £190 for the gains. Obviously a few BHP may not be felt but im sure some of you may feel the engines response is quicker due to it breathing better. (I may be wrong guys but again im only here to grab advice.)

Secondly these power enterprise camcons & Apexi Power FC. I beleive both of these items are relatively the same (Piggy back ecu systems which allow you to adjust various setting on the ecu.)

From getting these proffesionally tuned any one have any ideas on the gains? Obviously lowering the lift point will increase 0-60 and give the car better torque at low end revs but how will it effect the top end power. I enjoy my lift at 6krpm as it gives the last minute power boost which does put a smile on my face. I am worried that the top end power will become extremely poor and just feel like the car is dragging after the lift.

Im not sure how the type rs vtec works but i read up that it kicks in earlier? Does this mean vtec in a type r finishes at say 7krpm or does it carry on all the way to the end. If we adjusted the lift point on the t-sport from say 5 will our lift still go all the way to 8200rpm?

(Again i may be wrong about this as i have read on a few sites selling the apexi and camcon that the lift cams etc or something cannot be adjusted)

Obviously moving on doing a exhaust system, typhoon kit, free flow manifold and a apexi or camcon, will this improve bhp and torque by quite a fair bit say an estimated 210bhp. Or would you all say forget all this and just supercharge the damn thing!

Im aware a few people managed to get 201bhp on a dyno with just a typhoon and a backbox (not that the backbox should improve anything i beleive)

Ckman managed to get 204bhp or something with a exhaust system however do not know what else he is running. Considering thats nearly 15bhp more from an exhaust system and say an induction kit that is impressive.

Compressors are 215bhp with a bit more torque than the standard cts. This means without the supercharger some owners (well ONE owner lol is say 10bhp behind a compressor im sure some improvement from a manifold and one of those camcon things should get us a fair bit more.

Sorry about the essay but i think performance should be discussed between us fellow owners as the ts board tends to be quite dead.

If any one else wants to add anything in this topic for example gains from flywheels or anything else performance related please do contribute.

[nrgizerbunny]

Here's my 2 pence for what its worth.

Firstly i would query the dyno that ckman had done. one was done in 3rd gear, his other run was in 4th gear. I'm not sure which gear is straight through on the corolla but i suspect its probably 3rd (its 3rd on most 5 speed boxes). You are going to lose some power through the box so i'm not convinced about the power difference from the piggy back chip.

The other issue is the lift. If you engage it lower, then a couple of things will happen, firstly you won't get the kick and secondly the engine will not be aspirating very efficiently. Its designed to engage at high RPM to enable the air and fuel to get in and out of the cyldiners at high speed.

Personally I think the only way to get the power is to do what the americans are doing and thats to get a supercharger/turbocharger and then mod the ECU either with a piggy back unit or a motec job. This is what they did on the Lotus and they get 265HP, thats with bigger injectors and an Eaton M45 roots blower.

You'll notice 10HP, but you are having to spend an awful lot of money to get it.

I've decided to polish my inlet manifold and take the head off and polish the area around the valves. I think based on pressure losses, i should get a noticable hike in power.

[cabcurtains]

I agree with the comments nrgizerbunny has made.

This engine is already a very high performance unit, 105BHP per litre isnt matched by many other normally aspirated units, this leaves little room for gains. I would imagine that every BHP gain will cost about £100, which is hardly good value. If the induction and exhaust puts the power up to 200BHP then thats good enough as every additional one doesnt offer value for money.

I am though always willing to be proved wrong ;)

[Norfolk n Chance]

I agree with the previous comments too, you'll spend an awful lot of money and not get too much of a gain from it.

We'll see after the RR Day which mods will give the best results for "pocket money"

Looks like we've a few T Sports coming in various stages of tuning!

[farhanali89]

Thats exactly what i was thinking, i read up on that 105hp a litre thing and being only a 1.8 the power is real good. Obviously in order to achieve this toyota must have already tuned the hell out of the 1.8 to get it to 190bhp.

From what i have heard putting a camcon on a standard unmodified 2zz engine torque figures are increased slightly along with a couple of bhp and thats probably the best optimal settings.

Again cost is another issue these small pocket money modifications really do total up to nearly the price of a supercharger or turbo.

How i see it tho if smaller modifications are made im sure more improvement can be made, my keen interest is really with a simple cat back exhaust system, the trd free flow manifold, typhoon and maybe the camcon.

Doing a full system like Ckman with a racing cat etc does hit up to nearly £1200 thats just for the system, i was quoted on monday for a catback to my styling for around £400, along with a trd manifold looking at nearly £900. Obviously the gains dont seem like a lot but im inquisitive to see what the manifold could do. From my past experience on different cars (I have a few friends with different cars all who have put free flow manifolds on their cars and to be fairly honest the gains from just the manifold were fairly good for what they paid.)

One of my friends had one fitted to an e36 328i and on a dyno he managed to get an increase of 17bhp. Which is really good considering he paid £200 plus labour to get it fitted. (I understand it is different with each car however)

[farhanali89]

This rolling road day seems interesting, i would love to pop down but the cars tottaly standard at the moment :( if i got a typhoon on or something i wouldnt mind.

[-T- Sport]

Whats wrong with bringing it down standard? That way you know what it is standard and will be able to see what you've gained later on ;)

[farhanali89]

Whats wrong with bringing it down standard? That way you know what it is standard and will be able to see what you've gained later on ;)

you got a point there! only problem is im sure itll just be running 190 lol and ontop of that its quite a journey and the cost id rather keep and spend on a modification and then do one. Im sure most of you will do one again. Let me know if there are any more meets. I dont mind travelling but being down in london doesnt help as there arent many t-sports here. Mite meet up with a few fellas on this forum and persuade them to all take a drive down to the next meet.

[Hogie]

I'm not sure which gear is straight through on the corolla but i suspect its probably 3rd (its 3rd on most 5 speed boxes).

Usually forth on a 5 speed, prob forth or fifth on the TS

[Ckman85]

The best result is to get a supercharger tbh, if u was to get internal mods after purchasing and paying for the labour to hav it fitted, itll cost pretty much the same as getting a supercharger fitted from Silverstone performance, and even less BHP than getting a supercharger. The other option is a Gt4 engine conversion :D maybe something i wud consider if my engine was to blow which i seriously doubt ;) or maybe if i win the lottery :D

[farhanali89]

ckman i thinkn if any1s going to supercharge it, its going to be you lolll! you do it first and then ill see :)

[farhanali89]

ckman i thinkn if any1s going to supercharge it, its going to be you lolll! you do it first and then ill see :)

[ctsnay]

has noone on here actually tried a Power Fc or Camcon then??

[superjim42]

all this talk of increasing performance between you tsport guys is making me jealous lol

i only have a 1.6 engine and would love to increase the performance. i know the usual exhaust systems and intake kits will get me something but are there any others you would recommend? or is the engine too small for good gains

[H13RNC]

ckman i thinkn if any1s going to supercharge it, its going to be you lolll! you do it first and then ill see :)

I'd do it depending on how much it costs...anyone have any idea how much all in? And are there any negatives that can ruin the car completely?

[ballist1x]

Stage 2 Cams 10-15bhp £500

CAI 5-10bhp £100-£200

header 5-10BHP £500

Exhaust 3-5 bhp? £300

i think thats the best N/A gains your gonna get on a 2zz

ECU stuff is touch and go, large cash investment.

WHy RR the T Sport before mods? to check you have a "healthy" car at 190 bhp so you know you have a good base to start before plonking the cash into mods!

[Norfolk n Chance]

ckman i thinkn if any1s going to supercharge it, its going to be you lolll! you do it first and then ill see :)

I'd do it depending on how much it costs...anyone have any idea how much all in? And are there any negatives that can ruin the car completely?

It costs around £4k from Silverstone Performance but you would gain an extra 60BHP! ;)

[H13RNC]

ckman i thinkn if any1s going to supercharge it, its going to be you lolll! you do it first and then ill see :)

I'd do it depending on how much it costs...anyone have any idea how much all in? And are there any negatives that can ruin the car completely?

It costs around £4k from Silverstone Performance but you would gain an extra 60BHP! ;)

4K? 4K? 4 :censor: K?

[-T- Sport]

Sounds fair to me :P

I know it's not the Blitz kit they use, but If you were to buy a Blitz S/C kit, it'd set you back around £3200, then labour on top.

So, sounds about right!

[cabcurtains]

Stage 2 Cams 10-15bhp £500

CAI 5-10bhp £100-£200

header 5-10BHP £500

Exhaust 3-5 bhp? £300

i think thats the best N/A gains your gonna get on a 2zz

ECU stuff is touch and go, large cash investment.

WHy RR the T Sport before mods? to check you have a "healthy" car at 190 bhp so you know you have a good base to start before plonking the cash into mods!

All those bits bar the CAI, require a fair bit of labour as well :(

Totally agree about running the std car on the RR day, it could show all the modded car it was money not well spent

[cabcurtains]

ckman i thinkn if any1s going to supercharge it, its going to be you lolll! you do it first and then ill see :)

I'd do it depending on how much it costs...anyone have any idea how much all in? And are there any negatives that can ruin the car completely?

It costs around £4k from Silverstone Performance but you would gain an extra 60BHP! ;)

4K? 4K? 4 :censor: K?

I would be buying something else like a Compressor!!!!!! or as its me and i need a 5dr, a Mazda M3 MPS even though road tax is savagely expensive.

Any mod of that cost would only make sense if the car was kept for many many years and loads of mileage.

[H13RNC]

Look this topic should not even be relevant at this time of the moment...lets just stick to having an induction kit and and exhaust system for now

Im feeling the credit cruch squeeze!

Cheers

H

[farhanali89]

guys sorry if this is a silly question wats a "cai" :)

[farhanali89]

woops just found out cold air induction lol

[cabcurtains]

woops just found out cold air induction lol

You need ;)