T180 Spare Wheel

[toondoug]

Im thinking of ordering a spare wheel for my T180 and was wondering how much it would cost, living in Jersey I should be okay if I got puncture as my dealer keeps a spare for use by anyone having a problem. Im thinking more for piece of mnd when going on long distance holidays to France or the UK. I think there are one or two on this site who may have already done that,Im not sure that it would need to be a RFT as it would only be for a spare, any thoughts

[dave.m]

Hi mate, I bought an aftermarket wheel and tyre (not run flat) for £180. Got it standing vertically

between the rear seat back, and the parcel shelf bar. Does not take up too much room, just rem-

ember to tether it to cargo hooks.

[chatman]

Hi mate, I bought an aftermarket wheel and tyre (not run flat) for £180. Got it standing vertically

between the rear seat back, and the parcel shelf bar. Does not take up too much room, just rem-

ember to tether it to cargo hooks.

Dave the £180 is a canny cost to pay for a tyre for the T180..... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[toondoug]

That dosent seem to bad think Ill go ahead and order one .How would that affect the tpms if you had to use the tyre Dave

[dave.m]

Not having the TPMS myself, I'm not sure. I suppose you could cheat a bit to buy some time by re-inflating the

punctured tyre in your boot (depending on how bad the puncture is). I'm sure one of your fellow T180 owners

will advise.

[dave.m]

Hi mate, I bought an aftermarket wheel and tyre (not run flat) for £180. Got it standing vertically

between the rear seat back, and the parcel shelf bar. Does not take up too much room, just rem-

ember to tether it to cargo hooks.

Dave the £180 is a canny cost to pay for a tyre for the T180..... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

:D :D I reckon buying 4 X £180 and snipping a certain wire would still be a good buy ;)

[Moonraker]

Hi mate, I bought an aftermarket wheel and tyre (not run flat) for £180. Got it standing vertically

between the rear seat back, and the parcel shelf bar. Does not take up too much room, just rem-

ember to tether it to cargo hooks.

Dave the £180 is a canny cost to pay for a tyre for the T180..... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

:D :D I reckon buying 4 X £180 and snipping a certain wire would still be a good buy ;)

Hi Folks

All joking apart snipping a certain wire could kill you .Or worse yours or someone elses kids. The TPMS is there for a vey important reason. If another tyre was to puncture and you didnt get a warning you could in theory at least not notice untill the tyre left the rim. I drove with a rear puncture on my T180 for 7 miles on a good road at 40mph ish without much apparent difference. . If the warning light had been by-passed I could have gone much faster. just a point .

[dave.m]

Fair point Moonraker, how many miles did the TPMS let you do before repairing the tyre ? Did you get to the max/50 miles ?

Do you think having a flat tyre in your boot wether re-inflated or not, would allow you to carry on driving with a non TPMS wheel ?

[sywy]

You didn't notice you had a flat!!? For me, it was like chalk and cheese. It was literally like driving on a solid ring, which it is. You could feel everythin on the road, and this was along a duel carraigway. All I can say is, your's couldn't have defalted completely.

[Moonraker]

Hi mate, I bought an aftermarket wheel and tyre (not run flat) for £180. Got it standing vertically

between the rear seat back, and the parcel shelf bar. Does not take up too much room, just rem-

ember to tether it to cargo hooks.

Dave the £180 is a canny cost to pay for a tyre for the T180..... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

:D :D I reckon buying 4 X £180 and snipping a certain wire would still be a good buy ;)

Hi Folks

All joking apart snipping a certain wire could kill you .Or worse yours or someone elses kids. The TPMS is there for a vey important reason. If another tyre was to puncture and you didnt get a warning you could in theory at least not notice untill the tyre left the rim. I drove with a rear puncture on my T180 for 7 miles on a good road at 40mph ish without much apparent difference. . If the warning light had been by-passed I could have gone much faster. just a point .

I knew my tyre was flat when I got in the car. My puncture was a slow one and had been messing me about for a couple of days over a weekend. The 7 mile trip at first light on a Monday morning was to get me to the nearest open garage with an airline. I was then able to reinflate the tyre so that I could drive to the dealers to get the car repaired as the puncture was slow enough to allow me to get there at normal speeds. My point was, that had ( I NOT KNOWN ) about the puncture and ( IF the TPWS light had been by-passed ) then from my experience on that shortish trip on an A road the first I might have known was if I suddenly turned a corner a bit sharpish then the road holding of my car might not have been what I expected. The TPWS light gives you warning of unexpected air pressure loss in your tyres allowing you to change your driving style to suit the conditions and warning you to get the tyre repaired If you check out the thread on this forum (T180 dealer incompetance /apathy ) you will be able to read the whole sorry story which sad to say is not quite finished yet . Having said that Lindopps have been very good about it more details on that thread will follow shortly.

[dave.m]

I hear what you are saying here mate, I'm just thinking, great piece of kit the TPMS is, would you not prefer it not to be

linked to your engine management ? Thereby giving you the option of re-inflating a slow puncture, even if you have to do

it several times to get you home, to a garage, if you are out in the middle of nowhere and outwith the 50 mile range

you are allowed to run on the doughnut ? Especially with problems of locating a replacement tyre.

[Moonraker]

Fair point Moonraker, how many miles did the TPMS let you do before repairing the tyre ? Did you get to the max/50 miles ?

Do you think having a flat tyre in your boot wether re-inflated or not, would allow you to carry on driving with a non TPMS wheel ?

Hi Dave

First of all the TPMS does not stop you from driving the car. The purpose of the TPMS is to alert the driver of the vehicle to the fact that a tyre OR tyres has lost pressure thus allowing the vehicle to be driven at a safe speed to get you home or get you to the tyre repair man. There is nothing to stop you driving with a non TPMS wheel on your vehicle "BUT" if you did you would not be alerted by the TPMS if that wheel suddenly lost pressure. Then you have defeated the whole purpose of run flat tyres. The main point of run flat tyres and what sold the idea to me was the safety aspect ie far better stability of my car if a blow out occurs at speed. The problem is that Toyota never got the setup right before introducing the cars

[Moonraker]

You didn't notice you had a flat!!? For me, it was like chalk and cheese. It was literally like driving on a solid ring, which it is. You could feel everythin on the road, and this was along a duel carraigway. All I can say is, your's couldn't have defalted completely.

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Hi Sywy

The tyre WAS completely flat. What speed did you drive at.

[dave.m]

Hmm, I may be misinformed here, I remember way back over a year ago when this subject was being debated,

it was said at the time that the ECU once alerted by the TPMS of a puncture would only allow the Rav to be driven

X amount of miles, I thought 50 before going into limp mode. Maybe need some clarification here for we regular

tyred Rav owners

[Moonraker]

I hear what you are saying here mate, I'm just thinking, great piece of kit the TPMS is, would you not prefer it not to be

linked to your engine management ? Thereby giving you the option of re-inflating a slow puncture, even if you have to do

it several times to get you home, to a garage, if you are out in the middle of nowhere and outwith the 50 mile range

you are allowed to run on the doughnut ? Especially with problems of locating a replacement tyre.

Hi dave

If you have a slow puncture as I had re-inflating the tyre to normal running pressure switches the TPMS light off until air pressure loss is detected again. I did over the course of the weekend top my air pressue up a couple of times .

[Moonraker]

Hmm, I may be misinformed here, I remember way back over a year ago when this subject was being debated,

it was said at the time that the ECU once alerted by the TPMS of a puncture would only allow the Rav to be driven

X amount of miles, I thought 50 before going into limp mode. Maybe need some clarification here for we regular

tyred Rav owners

Hi Again Dave

I know nothing of "limp mode " as you put it. My tyre deflated twice completely that weekend . The first time the light came on was on the Saturday afternoon and I was only half a mile from a garage. I re-inflated the tyre, the light extinguished and it allowed me to drive to my sons house 50 miles away where it deflated completely over night. I then drove as stated at first thing on the Monday 7 miles to the nearest garage open at that time of the morning where the tyre was inflated fully again. The light extinguished again and I drove it then from near Hereford to Lindopps at Queensferry. As I understand it you are officially allowed to drive for 95miles on a flat T180 tyre

[shcm]

Hmm, I may be misinformed here, I remember way back over a year ago when this subject was being debated,

it was said at the time that the ECU once alerted by the TPMS of a puncture would only allow the Rav to be driven

X amount of miles, I thought 50 before going into limp mode.

You may be right Dave, but from what I can see the TPMS ECU doesn't have a connection to the vehicle CAN bus or any other vehicle bus. There's a Kline diagnostic connection.

So, in other words, at the moment I can't see how the TPMS ECU can communicate any tyre deflation to any other of the vehicle systems (e.g. engine management) in order to enable a limp home mode. So, I remain a bit skeptical.

[dave.m]

Ok so now we are getting somewhere. So I guess the answer to the origional question is, you can buy a non run flat spare.

Leave it in the boot, if you get a puncture and want to change it, you can leave the punctured run flat in the boot, the only

problem you will have is the TPMS warning light being on but you will be able to use the Rav as long as it takes to get a repair

or new tyre and have the light re-set. Regardless of mileage covered

[bomber06]

This might have been covered in previous threads, but are we able to fit conventional run flat tyres to the T180's original rims and still use the TPMS system?

My warranty will run out in March and I will no doubt have to replace at least 2 of my tyres in the next 6 months due to normal wear and I am weighing up my options.

1. Do I replace the tyres with the same BSR tyres and still have the incovenience of limited availablity and potential high costs if ever the BSR needs replacing

OR

2. Do I replace the tyres with conventional runflat tyres and use gunk in the event of a puncture

If I were to change to conventional runflats without the BSR would this effect the ride of the car.

[Ottowa]

This might have been covered in previous threads, but are we able to fit conventional run flat tyres to the T180's original rims and still use the TPMS system?

My warranty will run out in March and I will no doubt have to replace at least 2 of my tyres in the next 6 months due to normal wear and I am weighing up my options.

1. Do I replace the tyres with the same BSR tyres and still have the incovenience of limited availablity and potential high costs if ever the BSR needs replacing

OR

2. Do I replace the tyres with conventional runflat tyres and use gunk in the event of a puncture

If I were to change to conventional runflats without the BSR would this effect the ride of the car.

I too would like some suggestions on this as am due for a change.

1. I cannot put new non run flats on existing rim.

2. Do I get replacement standard run flats on a new rim/alloy

3. If so, how do I get the TPMS sorted out? Do I need new valves on the new Rims.

Where can I get these new valves from and what are they called/spec. I see someone elsewhere was quoted £150 odd for them.

I am fairly convinced due to car being off road for seven days in the past with a puncture to change to standard or standard run flat tyres.

Its the valve thing I'm uncertain about.

Any suggestions?

Thanks