Brake Pad Malfunction.

[St Thicket]

Back in pad-land ----------

I had big problems with the blkg calipers sticking and ruining the discs - cost me a fortune which is why I spent a fortune changing to 6 pot racing calipers. At least now the brakes work, as some found out earlier this year. MOT due in 2 weeks but all should be well.

Would the changing to new calipers and pads be a "plug and play" kind of job, or do I need any mechanical skills other than loosening and tightening bolts? As you may have realised, I'm an electronics dude with mechanical skills limited to the engineering physics course. I have however changed tires, and I did once strip my old Nissan Cherry GTT down so that I could paint it (with enamel varnish and a roller which gave a nice texture ).

The Rav is currently at the Toyota garage waiting for an available slot. They have enough to do, so they couldn't promise to have it done at a certain time. Unfortunately, I spend 30 minutes more getting to work now than with a car... and the bus system in Bergen is rubbish.... and yes, my wife is now driving my corolla since there is no bus heading her direction

And back to "topic":

Why not come to Norway to do a Skid trip? There's lots of snow and slippery roads on the mountains, so that should be a quite realistic scenario for training. I did the mandatory skid pan course in order to get my license, and I didn't think the course was realistic enough. The best way is to spend several days driving on slippery roads so that you really get the reflexes to stay. Just a thought...

[bothwell_buyer]

Count me in, just googled skid pan courses loads of options, we will have to get a list of those interested find a central location, pick a day + then haggle a group price, will they teach me to drift like the STIG?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

will they manage to fit you into Stigs race suit??? :P :P

Well I am so polite Bothy i didn't know how to broach this, but two of the courses i have seen set a weight limit of 18st, so for some people this will not be so much a crash avoidance course, as a crash diet course..

Oh wise one - I've just had me operation and have lost 4kgs in 2 weeks already!! No its not MRSA!!!!

[anchorman]

Back in pad-land ----------

I had big problems with the blkg calipers sticking and ruining the discs - cost me a fortune which is why I spent a fortune changing to 6 pot racing calipers. At least now the brakes work, as some found out earlier this year. MOT due in 2 weeks but all should be well.

Would the changing to new calipers and pads be a "plug and play" kind of job, or do I need any mechanical skills other than loosening and tightening bolts? As you may have realised, I'm an electronics dude with mechanical skills limited to the engineering physics course. I have however changed tires, and I did once strip my old Nissan Cherry GTT down so that I could paint it (with enamel varnish and a roller which gave a nice texture ).

The Rav is currently at the Toyota garage waiting for an available slot. They have enough to do, so they couldn't promise to have it done at a certain time. Unfortunately, I spend 30 minutes more getting to work now than with a car... and the bus system in Bergen is rubbish.... and yes, my wife is now driving my corolla since there is no bus heading her direction

And back to "topic":

Why not come to Norway to do a Skid trip? There's lots of snow and slippery roads on the mountains, so that should be a quite realistic scenario for training. I did the mandatory skid pan course in order to get my license, and I didn't think the course was realistic enough. The best way is to spend several days driving on slippery roads so that you really get the reflexes to stay. Just a thought...

These tutorials are for the RAV but it's about the same;

http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86266

http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86268

[Parts-King]

Oh wise one - I've just had me operation and have lost 4kgs in 2 weeks already!! No its not MRSA!!!!

Sounds like you need the phone number for my pie supplier Bothy, cant have you wasting away like that

Kingo

[bothwell_buyer]

"Would the changing to new calipers and pads be a "plug and play" kind of job, or do I need any mechanical skills other than loosening and tightening bolts? As you may have realised, I'm an electronics dude with mechanical skills limited to the engineering physics course."

Its not quite plug and play.... the procedure is the same as that posted by anchorman.

However, by switching to 4/6/8 pot calipers, you first have a choice of suppliers and prices. I went for a larger diameter disc, and a heavier one. My discs are 2 part - ie the disc is cast but the 'bell' part of it is alloy and was made up specially for me (I believe). As the caliper is larger, I had to go for 18" wheels to give the clearance necessary. The caliper and disc fitting is easy enough but the hardest bit was to measure up to have an alloy bracket (or large shim) made to mount the caliper onto , and then to mount that onto the suspension/hub. I have seen a couple of companys offering this - and I think there are half a dozen ptions/suppliers.

I used KAD in Kent, England (ie somewhere south of Gretna!) . It wasn't cheap but then its miles better than the Toyota caliper as it has pistons on both sides rather than the moving shoe that Toyota has for 1 side.

If you want more info, I can email what I have.

[St Thicket]

Its not quite plug and play.... the procedure is the same as that posted by anchorman.

However, by switching to 4/6/8 pot calipers, you first have a choice of suppliers and prices. I went for a larger diameter disc, and a heavier one. My discs are 2 part - ie the disc is cast but the 'bell' part of it is alloy and was made up specially for me (I believe). As the caliper is larger, I had to go for 18" wheels to give the clearance necessary. The caliper and disc fitting is easy enough but the hardest bit was to measure up to have an alloy bracket (or large shim) made to mount the caliper onto , and then to mount that onto the suspension/hub. I have seen a couple of companys offering this - and I think there are half a dozen ptions/suppliers.

I used KAD in Kent, England (ie somewhere south of Gretna!) . It wasn't cheap but then its miles better than the Toyota caliper as it has pistons on both sides rather than the moving shoe that Toyota has for 1 side.

If you want more info, I can email what I have.

Nah, I'll pass on that. Sounds like it may be too expensive... I have more pressing necessities to use my hard earned money on.

But thanks for the info anyway. I'll consider it if the brakes make it troublesome for me again.

[bothwell_buyer]

Oh wise one - I've just had me operation and have lost 4kgs in 2 weeks already!! No its not MRSA!!!!

Sounds like you need the phone number for my pie supplier Bothy, cant have you wasting away like that

Kingo

haha - I have a range of clothes with sizes varying from waist 42 up to 56". Shame the 42" are flares!! :lol: One has a reputation to keep up so i might take you up on the pies and do a skid pan just to sicken Local hero - who obviously didn't like getting up early this morning!! 6.40am?? Thats when I'm going off to bed...having spent a wee while setting up my 99 domains and multiple emails on Mosso - a good alternative to rackspace - just as goood but cheaper for someone like me who is the only person who creates and visits his own domains - sad eh? Mosso is owned by rackspace now as well. Cloud Hosting - suits me as my heads up there!

[St Thicket]

I got my RAV back from the garage. They changed the caliper on the side where the pad was gone, and also they changed discs and pads on both sides.

It costed a fortune! 9.337,00 NOK (about £900)!

However, I'm glad it's sorted out!

[bothwell_buyer]

I got my RAV back from the garage. They changed the caliper on the side where the pad was gone, and also they changed discs and pads on both sides.

It costed a fortune! 9.337,00 NOK (about £900)!

However, I'm glad it's sorted out!

Dear numpty (well I had to say that - sorry)

A new set of calipers and discs would have cost you not much more that £1000 from at least one supplier!!!

I paid less than £2000 for my set up, but then my brake set up will handle the 470bhp I intend to give them. You have less than 200bhp !???? Thats why I don't rate T calipers - just a rip-off.

[St Thicket]

Dear numpty (well I had to say that - sorry)

A new set of calipers and discs would have cost you not much more that £1000 from at least one supplier!!!

I paid less than £2000 for my set up, but then my brake set up will handle the 470bhp I intend to give them. You have less than 200bhp !???? Thats why I don't rate T calipers - just a rip-off.

I now realize that I could have installed some retrofit brakes for a price less, but as I've mentioned, I have no mechanical skills... It looks easy, but it takes time and I bet it'll end with me swearing and cursing, and then tow my car to the garage to have them do it for me...

But when it comes to prices of OEM parts, it wasn't that bad. The discs were really cheap, the pads as well, but the caliper was about £350... the thing that cost was the labour. they spent two hours, which cost £110 per hour plus 25 % VAT. So the total labour was £275.

Norwegian salaries are generally high, so that's one of the reasons. Cars are also considered a luxury commodity, so everything about the car is expensive. I bet that it would be considerably cheaper to get this repair done in the UK.

[bothwell_buyer]

Dear numpty (well I had to say that - sorry)

A new set of calipers and discs would have cost you not much more that £1000 from at least one supplier!!!

I paid less than £2000 for my set up, but then my brake set up will handle the 470bhp I intend to give them. You have less than 200bhp !???? Thats why I don't rate T calipers - just a rip-off.

I now realize that I could have installed some retrofit brakes for a price less, but as I've mentioned, I have no mechanical skills... It looks easy, but it takes time and I bet it'll end with me swearing and cursing, and then tow my car to the garage to have them do it for me...

But when it comes to prices of OEM parts, it wasn't that bad. The discs were really cheap, the pads as well, but the caliper was about £350... the thing that cost was the labour. they spent two hours, which cost £110 per hour plus 25 % VAT. So the total labour was £275.

Norwegian salaries are generally high, so that's one of the reasons. Cars are also considered a luxury commodity, so everything about the car is expensive. I bet that it would be considerably cheaper to get this repair done in the UK.

Hmmmm - me thinks...

any vacancies for a pavement Cleaning technician? I reckon its within my capability range and I might get more £s if I move to your neck of the woods!???? I have my own wellington boots, a scarf, and a pair of gloves.

[St Thicket]

any vacancies for a pavement Cleaning technician? I reckon its within my capability range and I might get more £s if I move to your neck of the woods!???? I have my own wellington boots, a scarf, and a pair of gloves.

I wouldn't know, but we're always short on bus drivers (that speak Norwegian). If you're an engineer, especially mechanical or electrical, then you're guaranteed a job in the oil industry. It might be a bit harder now during the financial crisis, but I don't think that'll be a big problem.

[dave.m]

any vacancies for a pavement Cleaning technician? I reckon its within my capability range and I might get more £s if I move to your neck of the woods!???? I have my own wellington boots, a scarf, and a pair of gloves.

I wouldn't know, but we're always short on bus drivers (that speak Norwegian). If you're an engineer, especially mechanical or electrical, then you're guaranteed a job in the oil industry. It might be a bit harder now during the financial crisis, but I don't think that'll be a big problem.

I've started packing

[local hero]

I dont want to do any work I'm P****D off with it. Are there any vacancies in Norway for Arora Borealis spotters? not bothered about wages just a log cabin + some woolly gloves will do..

[bothwell_buyer]

wot size bus does it need to be? I drive 18 seaters?

[St Thicket]

I dont want to do any work I'm P****D off with it. Are there any vacancies in Norway for Arora Borealis spotters? not bothered about wages just a log cabin + some woolly gloves will do..

Seem slike you have a romantic idea about what norway is. The northern lights are most common in the far north, where you will surely freeze to death. Or maybe you will be raped or killed by a native "Sami". My point is that it is not very comfortable up there... I've spent my youth there, and I ended up moving to Bergen where it's warm and comforable (but rainy)

wot size bus does it need to be? I drive 18 seaters?

I'm talking about BIG busses, that carry 70-100 people. The bus company here is really rubbish, but that's mostly because they don't have enough buses or drivers to meet the demand. They'll be more than happy about teaching you to drive it and to teach you norwegian :)

But remember, even though the salaries are high in norway, bus driving is not considered well paid, and everething here is very expensive...

[local hero]

maybe you will be raped or killed by a native "Sami".

WELL what ever goes on in NORWAY, I've never met an unhappy or unfriendly Norwegian.. This Sammy, that might rape me, is she a good looking girl?

[St Thicket]

This Sammy, that might rape me, is she a good looking girl?

You would be very lucky if it was a girl...

It's more likely to be this guy:

[bothwell_buyer]

This Sammy, that might rape me, is she a good looking girl?

You would be very lucky if it was a girl...

It's more likely to be this guy:

always admire a guy who comes well prepared - looks like whisky in the big bottle - "drink" !!!!!!

bus drivers here seem to be getting not a bad wage. Not as good as the train drivers though! - £20000000p a year I'd reckon, and get to abuse brake pad linings as much as they want (ie still on topic)

[St Thicket]

With my experience with the brakes on my RAV, I'm confused with what to do with my Roc'n'rolla... all the pads and the front pads need replacing. The OEM parts are quite expensive (at least for the RAV), and the cost of labour is really high!

Also, my mechanical skills often results in more damage than repair

Should I let Mr T do the job, or should I save some money and get non-OEM parts and do the job mystelf? In case of the latter, which manufacturer of parts are reliable? I think I'll save at least 2/3rds of the price when doing it myself.

What to do and which parts to buy?

[shcm]

I'd say if you really have any doubts get it done "professionally". Safety should always out way the cost.

It's not actually that difficult a job. Modern caliper design usually makes it quite easy to get the pads out. However, it's easy for me to say, if you're never done it before.

I always think having exactly the correct tools and equipment for the task is more than half the solution and probably at this time of year also having somewhere warm and dry with enough space to do the job in comfort is a great help - so that you can take your time and are not subconsciously rushing to get the job done.

Anchorman really does highly rate the Toyota OEM pads, and to be honest and particularly with brake pads, you're not going to find many people who know more about them.

I'm sure you've looked at Anchorman's brake maintenance post:

http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86266

Cheers

[St Thicket]

... all the pads and the front pads need replacing.

Sorry... I meant all the pads and the front discs needs replacing.

Because of this, it'll be so expensive that I prefer to do it myself. I'd like to learn how to do it as well. I think I'll team up with a very experienced buddy to get it done safely.

So OEM parts are preferred? I got a price for Mintex pads and Brembo disc. Are they OK?

[anchorman]

Yes StT. They will be fine.