Brake Squeal Issues ( Do You Have An Oppinion )

[balli hi]

I once again visited my dealership today, for the umteenth time regarding , brake squeal ( front ) and grinding ( back ) . Not only has the front squeal returned , but also the rear , grinding mooing sound , the diference with the rear brakes this time is that they moo while forward braking , and not when reverse braking as before , so now when i start braking i have squealing from the front & mooing from the back , both at the same time.

The discussion i had with the service manager today, was at first " heated " , because i was told that because they had explored all avenues & available remedies , and that it is a known characteristic of the car , therefor i will have to accept it as that ( a charactreistic of the car ) .

I was told that most people who returned with the same brake squeal issues , after all the mods were carried out , were happy to accept it as a part of the cars character , and had not returned , apart from a few ... namely me . I replied that , had i been told at the time of purchase that the car also came with a lovley ear splitting brake squeal & grinding , free of charge , i would not have gone anywhere near the Auris, and others can accept the brake issues if they wish , but , " i for one will not , because it is driving me mad , therefor iether fix it or give me a refund ".

The outcome is that they will once again carry out all the mods, back & front ( today ), ( also, they will do the steering recall mod ) and if that fails , I.E the brake squeal returns , they will try to get me into another vehicle .

My question to the forum is : 1) Have you had the brake mods carried out , and if so , was it successfull ? ( first time )

2)Have you had the mods carried out , and it has failed to cure the problem , but you are happy to put up with the noise . ( if so , WHY ? )

[T Sport 1978]

I once again visited my dealership today, for the umteenth time regarding , brake squeal ( front ) and grinding ( back ) . Not only has the front squeal returned , but also the rear , grinding mooing sound , the diference with the rear brakes this time is that they moo while forward braking , and not when reverse braking as before , so now when i start braking i have squealing from the front & mooing from the back , both at the same time.

The discussion i had with the service manager today, was at first " heated " , because i was told that because they had explored all avenues & available remedies , and that it is a known characteristic of the car , therefor i will have to accept it as that ( a charactreistic of the car ) .

I was told that most people who returned with the same brake squeal issues , after all the mods were carried out , were happy to accept it as a part of the cars character , and had not returned , apart from a few ... namely me . I replied that , had i been told at the time of purchase that the car also came with a lovley ear splitting brake squeal & grinding , free of charge , i would not have gone anywhere near the Auris, and others can accept the brake issues if they wish , but , " i for one will not , because it is driving me mad , therefor iether fix it or give me a refund ".

The outcome is that they will once again carry out all the mods, back & front ( today ), ( also, they will do the steering recall mod ) and if that fails , I.E the brake squeal returns , they will try to get me into another vehicle .

My question to the forum is : 1) Have you had the brake mods carried out , and if so , was it successfull ? ( first time )

2)Have you had the mods carried out , and it has failed to cure the problem , but you are happy to put up with the noise . ( if so , WHY ? )

Balli

Mine was REALLY bad and it was driving me nuts... Thankfully was fixed first time and was told it comprised of the whole brake casing/caliper/shoe front and back. Brake squeals now but only from brake dust i am sure and not just inherently there.

You should take this up with Toyota GB.

[balli hi]

I once again visited my dealership today, for the umteenth time regarding , brake squeal ( front ) and grinding ( back ) . Not only has the front squeal returned , but also the rear , grinding mooing sound , the diference with the rear brakes this time is that they moo while forward braking , and not when reverse braking as before , so now when i start braking i have squealing from the front & mooing from the back , both at the same time.

The discussion i had with the service manager today, was at first " heated " , because i was told that because they had explored all avenues & available remedies , and that it is a known characteristic of the car , therefor i will have to accept it as that ( a charactreistic of the car ) .

I was told that most people who returned with the same brake squeal issues , after all the mods were carried out , were happy to accept it as a part of the cars character , and had not returned , apart from a few ... namely me . I replied that , had i been told at the time of purchase that the car also came with a lovley ear splitting brake squeal & grinding , free of charge , i would not have gone anywhere near the Auris, and others can accept the brake issues if they wish , but , " i for one will not , because it is driving me mad , therefor iether fix it or give me a refund ".

The outcome is that they will once again carry out all the mods, back & front ( today ), ( also, they will do the steering recall mod ) and if that fails , I.E the brake squeal returns , they will try to get me into another vehicle .

My question to the forum is : 1) Have you had the brake mods carried out , and if so , was it successfull ? ( first time )

2)Have you had the mods carried out , and it has failed to cure the problem , but you are happy to put up with the noise . ( if so , WHY ? )

Balli

Mine was REALLY bad and it was driving me nuts... Thankfully was fixed first time and was told it comprised of the whole brake casing/caliper/shoe front and back. Brake squeals now but only from brake dust i am sure and not just inherently there.

You should take this up with Toyota GB.

Hi,

I called the service manager again , to ask him if the rear mod had been done , because when i braked , there was a mooing sound from the rear again ,

he confirmed that front & rear had been done , and that he personally oversaw the work , to ensure that it was carried out to the letter , as set out by toyota ,( yeh right ).... he went on to say that the parts that they removed still had the toyota stamp / markings on them , i can't remember if he said disks , pads , or both . anyway this he states , shows that i am a light breaker , and that is part of the problem , because he say's , " you need to break harder in order to clear any dust residue between disk & pad , ( at which point i fell about laughing ).... Naturally a lot more was said but i won't bore you with the details.

I now intend to take this up with Toyota GB , in order to save time, can anyone help with any contact numbers, of people they have dealt with at toyota , and found that they took you seriously and were helpfull , i would be dearly greatfull if anyone could help with a good contact name and number ,

Thanks in advance

[T Sport 1978]

I once again visited my dealership today, for the umteenth time regarding , brake squeal ( front ) and grinding ( back ) . Not only has the front squeal returned , but also the rear , grinding mooing sound , the diference with the rear brakes this time is that they moo while forward braking , and not when reverse braking as before , so now when i start braking i have squealing from the front & mooing from the back , both at the same time.

The discussion i had with the service manager today, was at first " heated " , because i was told that because they had explored all avenues & available remedies , and that it is a known characteristic of the car , therefor i will have to accept it as that ( a charactreistic of the car ) .

I was told that most people who returned with the same brake squeal issues , after all the mods were carried out , were happy to accept it as a part of the cars character , and had not returned , apart from a few ... namely me . I replied that , had i been told at the time of purchase that the car also came with a lovley ear splitting brake squeal & grinding , free of charge , i would not have gone anywhere near the Auris, and others can accept the brake issues if they wish , but , " i for one will not , because it is driving me mad , therefor iether fix it or give me a refund ".

The outcome is that they will once again carry out all the mods, back & front ( today ), ( also, they will do the steering recall mod ) and if that fails , I.E the brake squeal returns , they will try to get me into another vehicle .

My question to the forum is : 1) Have you had the brake mods carried out , and if so , was it successfull ? ( first time )

2)Have you had the mods carried out , and it has failed to cure the problem , but you are happy to put up with the noise . ( if so , WHY ? )

Balli

Mine was REALLY bad and it was driving me nuts... Thankfully was fixed first time and was told it comprised of the whole brake casing/caliper/shoe front and back. Brake squeals now but only from brake dust i am sure and not just inherently there.

You should take this up with Toyota GB.

Hi,

I called the service manager again , to ask him if the rear mod had been done , because when i braked , there was a mooing sound from the rear again ,

he confirmed that front & rear had been done , and that he personally oversaw the work , to ensure that it was carried out to the letter , as set out by toyota ,( yeh right ).... he went on to say that the parts that they removed still had the toyota stamp / markings on them , i can't remember if he said disks , pads , or both . anyway this he states , shows that i am a light breaker , and that is part of the problem , because he say's , " you need to break harder in order to clear any dust residue between disk & pad , ( at which point i fell about laughing ).... Naturally a lot more was said but i won't bore you with the details.

I now intend to take this up with Toyota GB , in order to save time, can anyone help with any contact numbers, of people they have dealt with at toyota , and found that they took you seriously and were helpfull , i would be dearly greatfull if anyone could help with a good contact name and number ,

Thanks in advance

Balli,

Dont bother with the national rate number that the site will ask you to dial... Try this.

01737 363 633

You will go straight to a customer rep, from there you can directly complaint.

Hope this helps.

[balli hi]

I once again visited my dealership today, for the umteenth time regarding , brake squeal ( front ) and grinding ( back ) . Not only has the front squeal returned , but also the rear , grinding mooing sound , the diference with the rear brakes this time is that they moo while forward braking , and not when reverse braking as before , so now when i start braking i have squealing from the front & mooing from the back , both at the same time.

The discussion i had with the service manager today, was at first " heated " , because i was told that because they had explored all avenues & available remedies , and that it is a known characteristic of the car , therefor i will have to accept it as that ( a charactreistic of the car ) .

I was told that most people who returned with the same brake squeal issues , after all the mods were carried out , were happy to accept it as a part of the cars character , and had not returned , apart from a few ... namely me . I replied that , had i been told at the time of purchase that the car also came with a lovley ear splitting brake squeal & grinding , free of charge , i would not have gone anywhere near the Auris, and others can accept the brake issues if they wish , but , " i for one will not , because it is driving me mad , therefor iether fix it or give me a refund ".

The outcome is that they will once again carry out all the mods, back & front ( today ), ( also, they will do the steering recall mod ) and if that fails , I.E the brake squeal returns , they will try to get me into another vehicle .

My question to the forum is : 1) Have you had the brake mods carried out , and if so , was it successfull ? ( first time )

2)Have you had the mods carried out , and it has failed to cure the problem , but you are happy to put up with the noise . ( if so , WHY ? )

Balli

Mine was REALLY bad and it was driving me nuts... Thankfully was fixed first time and was told it comprised of the whole brake casing/caliper/shoe front and back. Brake squeals now but only from brake dust i am sure and not just inherently there.

You should take this up with Toyota GB.

Hi,

I called the service manager again , to ask him if the rear mod had been done , because when i braked , there was a mooing sound from the rear again ,

he confirmed that front & rear had been done , and that he personally oversaw the work , to ensure that it was carried out to the letter , as set out by toyota ,( yeh right ).... he went on to say that the parts that they removed still had the toyota stamp / markings on them , i can't remember if he said disks , pads , or both . anyway this he states , shows that i am a light breaker , and that is part of the problem , because he say's , " you need to break harder in order to clear any dust residue between disk & pad , ( at which point i fell about laughing ).... Naturally a lot more was said but i won't bore you with the details.

I now intend to take this up with Toyota GB , in order to save time, can anyone help with any contact numbers, of people they have dealt with at toyota , and found that they took you seriously and were helpfull , i would be dearly greatfull if anyone could help with a good contact name and number ,

Thanks in advance

Balli,

Dont bother with the national rate number that the site will ask you to dial... Try this.

01737 363 633

You will go straight to a customer rep, from there you can directly complaint.

Hope this helps.

Hi T Sport

Thanks for taking the time out, to respond , i will call that number first thing on monday , ... thanks again

[Parts-King]

OR email customer.relations@tgb.toyota.co.uk

My Auris was cured of squealing and mooing after being in twice, some are more difficult to cure

Kingo

[balli hi]

OR email customer.relations@tgb.toyota.co.uk

My Auris was cured of squealing and mooing after being in twice, some are more difficult to cure

Kingo

Thanks Kingo ;)

[tonylwt]

I once again visited my dealership today, for the umteenth time regarding , brake squeal ( front ) and grinding ( back ) . Not only has the front squeal returned , but also the rear , grinding mooing sound , the diference with the rear brakes this time is that they moo while forward braking , and not when reverse braking as before , so now when i start braking i have squealing from the front & mooing from the back , both at the same time.

The discussion i had with the service manager today, was at first " heated " , because i was told that because they had explored all avenues & available remedies , and that it is a known characteristic of the car , therefor i will have to accept it as that ( a charactreistic of the car ) .

I was told that most people who returned with the same brake squeal issues , after all the mods were carried out , were happy to accept it as a part of the cars character , and had not returned , apart from a few ... namely me . I replied that , had i been told at the time of purchase that the car also came with a lovley ear splitting brake squeal & grinding , free of charge , i would not have gone anywhere near the Auris, and others can accept the brake issues if they wish , but , " i for one will not , because it is driving me mad , therefor iether fix it or give me a refund ".

The outcome is that they will once again carry out all the mods, back & front ( today ), ( also, they will do the steering recall mod ) and if that fails , I.E the brake squeal returns , they will try to get me into another vehicle .

My question to the forum is : 1) Have you had the brake mods carried out , and if so , was it successfull ? ( first time )

2)Have you had the mods carried out , and it has failed to cure the problem , but you are happy to put up with the noise . ( if so , WHY ? )

[hertsnminds]

anyway this he states , shows that i am a light breaker , and that is part of the problem , because he say's , " you need to break harder in order to clear any dust residue between disk & pad , ( at which point i fell about laughing )....

This is true the harder you brake the more friction between disc and pad and the more oxidisation (and dust) will be removed.

Brakes are also usually biased so that the fronts apply more pressure than the rear. So if you brake lightly the rear calipers will not be used (when braking from forward motion). If you rarely need to reverse then it is likely your rear brakes rarely get used, so they oxidise more and make more noise.

Squeaky brakes are not unique to Toyota in your case it seems your braking style and the cars set up combine to make the problem worse. If the car cannot be set up to change the amount of brake force applied in relation to how hard you press the brake pedal then you should try out some different cars as this will be the only way to cure the problem.

http://www.r1concepts.com/blog/why-do-brak...-or-make-noise/

http://www.stretcher.com/stories/00/001106r.cfm

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_the_brake...only_in_reverse

Complaints about brake squeal became a problem when front-wheel drive and semi-metallic brakes arrived on the scene in the 1980s. Semi-metallic pads are harder than their asbestos counterparts, and thus are more apt to chatter and squeal if there are any irregularities or roughness on the rotor surface, or if you notice looseness between the pads and calipers.

Some types of caliper designs are more apt to be noisy than others. The pads in these calipers may not be held as tightly and/or the caliper itself may move around a lot when the brakes are applied. And, as we said earlier, the greater the play in the system, the greater the tendency to make noise. That's why some new car dealers try to dismiss the problem by telling their customers some noise is "normal", leaving the customer no alternative but to live with the problem or to get it fixed by somebody else.

Trying to fix a squeal problem the wrong way can often make the problem worse. If somebody does a quick brake job and replaces the brake pads but doe snot resurface the rotors, the result can be an even louder squeal. The same can happen if the rotors are resurfaced incorrectly, too quickly or with dull tools. Excessive rotor runout can also cause problems.

Source http://www.aa1car.com/library/bsqueal.htm

[balli hi]

Hello Hertsnminds

Thanks for taking the time out to give such a detailed responce .

Whilst i accept that part of the problem , regarding brake squeal is down to the metals used in the pads , some of the problem is also down to the type of calipers used on the Auris , because the pads move about slightly within the calipers, the caliper modification that Toyota carry out is supposed to cure this .

However , they cannot seem to cure the problem on my car , part of the reason could be , as explained in one of your links , that any remedial work , must be carried out correctly , and the case may be that my dealers may have not carried out the remedial work correctly, the second to last attempt on their part actually made the problem worse .

Regarding their explanation that i am a light braker :

I found that laughable because in todays driving conditions it is virtually impossible to drive around everywhere braking lightly all of the time , the fact is i don't , plus there are so many idiots out there , pulling out on you at junctions or cutting in front of you ect , that i find myself braking hard , on a daily basis as and when needed anyway... so i can't accept their explanation on that point .

The only thing i can think of that may have some bearing is that i do not do a great deal of mileage , and the majority of trips are approx 3 to 5 miles , however this has been the case for many, many years now , and my previous car never omitted a single sqeak that i can recall .

And on your last point , i am not in a position financially to change the car to another brand , but if i could , i probably would , the fact is my car has lost so much of its value in the current economical climate , that i cannot afford to take such a huge hit on the trade in value , so basically i'm stuck with it .

Anyways thanks again for your detailed responce

[vivianM]

Hello Hertsnminds

Thanks for taking the time out to give such a detailed responce .

Whilst i accept that part of the problem , regarding brake squeal is down to the metals used in the pads , some of the problem is also down to the type of calipers used on the Auris , because the pads move about slightly within the calipers, the caliper modification that Toyota carry out is supposed to cure this .

However , they cannot seem to cure the problem on my car , part of the reason could be , as explained in one of your links , that any remedial work , must be carried out correctly , and the case may be that my dealers may have not carried out the remedial work correctly, the second to last attempt on their part actually made the problem worse .

Regarding their explanation that i am a light braker :

I found that laughable because in todays driving conditions it is virtually impossible to drive around everywhere braking lightly all of the time , the fact is i don't , plus there are so many idiots out there , pulling out on you at junctions or cutting in front of you ect , that i find myself braking hard , on a daily basis as and when needed anyway... so i can't accept their explanation on that point .

The only thing i can think of that may have some bearing is that i do not do a great deal of mileage , and the majority of trips are approx 3 to 5 miles , however this has been the case for many, many years now , and my previous car never omitted a single sqeak that i can recall .

And on your last point , i am not in a position financially to change the car to another brand , but if i could , i probably would , the fact is my car has lost so much of its value in the current economical climate , that i cannot afford to take such a huge hit on the trade in value , so basically i'm stuck with it .

Anyways thanks again for your detailed responce

My wife's new Auris bought end of Sept this year started the brake squeal after one week - the dealer, RRG Stockport, said bring it straight in for a check, we did , and the problem was cured as soon as the new parts arrived - it has not come back.

Your dealer should be able to get it sorted even if they have to replace all the brake parts - do not let them get away with a part done job as in the end it does not do Toyota any good as you would always complain, very rightly, to everyone about the car!

Regards

Guy