Rav4 Xt4 D-4d Poor Mpg

[DaddyKool]

Hi Everybody, I'm a new member to the T-Club although i do look on here at everyones helpful tips and problems from time to time. Anyway, I have a problem or maybe not (I'm not sure yet) of my own.

I've had our XT4 53'reg (85000 miles) for about a year now......it only had the one owner and was serviced by Toyota from day1. Since owning it, I've had the dreaded FLYWHEEL problem without any towing done with the car and the EGR valve was done at the same time because....so say....the car was running bad and had to be done before they could diagnose the flywheel??

Anyway...after the nice two and a half grand bill, the car seemed fine and has been for the last few months. It did go through a funny stage recently where it kept kangarooing down the road if i floored the acelerator but this has seemed to have cleared. Now...both me and the wife put in the odd 10,20 quid of fuel when required but for the first time since having the car, i filled her right up before christmas which cost £47, to see what mpg we are getting as i have replaced the original cd player with the trip display for a Sony unit.. I obviously reset the clock after refill and used the car over the christmas period but the other day the empty light came on and i checked how many miles i had done and it wasn't much short of 300. About 279 to be exact.

My question is; IS THIS NORMAL?? Because using an online mpg converter, it only works out to be about 25mpg which is what i would expect from the petrol model. It is mainly used around town.

Appologies for the long explanation but wondering whever or not to keep the car when we dont really want to let it go!!

HELP!!!!! :(

[max-ie]

Hi Everybody, I'm a new member to the T-Club although i do look on here at everyones helpful tips and problems from time to time. Anyway, I have a problem or maybe not (I'm not sure yet) of my own.

I've had our XT4 53'reg (85000 miles) for about a year now......it only had the one owner and was serviced by Toyota from day1. Since owning it, I've had the dreaded FLYWHEEL problem without any towing done with the car and the EGR valve was done at the same time because....so say....the car was running bad and had to be done before they could diagnose the flywheel??

Anyway...after the nice two and a half grand bill, the car seemed fine and has been for the last few months. It did go through a funny stage recently where it kept kangarooing down the road if i floored the acelerator but this has seemed to have cleared. Now...both me and the wife put in the odd 10,20 quid of fuel when required but for the first time since having the car, i filled her right up before christmas which cost £47, to see what mpg we are getting as i have replaced the original cd player with the trip display for a Sony unit.. I obviously reset the clock after refill and used the car over the christmas period but the other day the empty light came on and i checked how many miles i had done and it wasn't much short of 300. About 279 to be exact.

My question is; IS THIS NORMAL?? Because using an online mpg converter, it only works out to be about 25mpg which is what i would expect from the petrol model. It is mainly used around town.

Appologies for the long explanation but wondering whever or not to keep the car when we dont really want to let it go!!

HELP!!!!! :(

i have a corolla D4D and i have gotten 300 to half a tank of fuel

[DaddyKool]

Hi Everybody, I'm a new member to the T-Club although i do look on here at everyones helpful tips and problems from time to time. Anyway, I have a problem or maybe not (I'm not sure yet) of my own.

I've had our XT4 53'reg (85000 miles) for about a year now......it only had the one owner and was serviced by Toyota from day1. Since owning it, I've had the dreaded FLYWHEEL problem without any towing done with the car and the EGR valve was done at the same time because....so say....the car was running bad and had to be done before they could diagnose the flywheel??

Anyway...after the nice two and a half grand bill, the car seemed fine and has been for the last few months. It did go through a funny stage recently where it kept kangarooing down the road if i floored the acelerator but this has seemed to have cleared. Now...both me and the wife put in the odd 10,20 quid of fuel when required but for the first time since having the car, i filled her right up before christmas which cost £47, to see what mpg we are getting as i have replaced the original cd player with the trip display for a Sony unit.. I obviously reset the clock after refill and used the car over the christmas period but the other day the empty light came on and i checked how many miles i had done and it wasn't much short of 300. About 279 to be exact.

My question is; IS THIS NORMAL?? Because using an online mpg converter, it only works out to be about 25mpg which is what i would expect from the petrol model. It is mainly used around town.

Appologies for the long explanation but wondering whever or not to keep the car when we dont really want to let it go!!

HELP!!!!! :(

i have a corolla D4D and i have gotten 300 to half a tank of fuel

I presume then that what i'm gettings not all that good? What does it cost you to fill up max-ie?

[max-ie]

Hi Everybody, I'm a new member to the T-Club although i do look on here at everyones helpful tips and problems from time to time. Anyway, I have a problem or maybe not (I'm not sure yet) of my own.

I've had our XT4 53'reg (85000 miles) for about a year now......it only had the one owner and was serviced by Toyota from day1. Since owning it, I've had the dreaded FLYWHEEL problem without any towing done with the car and the EGR valve was done at the same time because....so say....the car was running bad and had to be done before they could diagnose the flywheel??

Anyway...after the nice two and a half grand bill, the car seemed fine and has been for the last few months. It did go through a funny stage recently where it kept kangarooing down the road if i floored the acelerator but this has seemed to have cleared. Now...both me and the wife put in the odd 10,20 quid of fuel when required but for the first time since having the car, i filled her right up before christmas which cost £47, to see what mpg we are getting as i have replaced the original cd player with the trip display for a Sony unit.. I obviously reset the clock after refill and used the car over the christmas period but the other day the empty light came on and i checked how many miles i had done and it wasn't much short of 300. About 279 to be exact.

My question is; IS THIS NORMAL?? Because using an online mpg converter, it only works out to be about 25mpg which is what i would expect from the petrol model. It is mainly used around town.

Appologies for the long explanation but wondering whever or not to keep the car when we dont really want to let it go!!

HELP!!!!! :(

i have a corolla D4D and i have gotten 300 to half a tank of fuel

I presume then that what i'm gettings not all that good? What does it cost you to fill up max-ie?

well to fill from half a tank it costs me 28 of our euro and its 91 cents a liter at the min where i fill up

[St Thicket]

On my 2003 RAV4 D-4D, I get maximum 600-650 km on a full tank, and I'm no saint when driving... this would be about 375-400 miles.

If you aren't getting more than 300, then you might want to have a look underneath the car after idling a short while. If there is fuel on the ground, then you might have a leak :)

[anchorman]

Hi Everybody, I'm a new member to the T-Club although i do look on here at everyones helpful tips and problems from time to time. Anyway, I have a problem or maybe not (I'm not sure yet) of my own.

I've had our XT4 53'reg (85000 miles) for about a year now......it only had the one owner and was serviced by Toyota from day1. Since owning it, I've had the dreaded FLYWHEEL problem without any towing done with the car and the EGR valve was done at the same time because....so say....the car was running bad and had to be done before they could diagnose the flywheel??

Anyway...after the nice two and a half grand bill, the car seemed fine and has been for the last few months. It did go through a funny stage recently where it kept kangarooing down the road if i floored the acelerator but this has seemed to have cleared. Now...both me and the wife put in the odd 10,20 quid of fuel when required but for the first time since having the car, i filled her right up before christmas which cost £47, to see what mpg we are getting as i have replaced the original cd player with the trip display for a Sony unit.. I obviously reset the clock after refill and used the car over the christmas period but the other day the empty light came on and i checked how many miles i had done and it wasn't much short of 300. About 279 to be exact.

My question is; IS THIS NORMAL?? Because using an online mpg converter, it only works out to be about 25mpg which is what i would expect from the petrol model. It is mainly used around town.

Appologies for the long explanation but wondering whever or not to keep the car when we dont really want to let it go!!

HELP!!!!! :(

Welcome to the club.

I would do the calculation manually using the mileometer on the speedo. As most members do it this way we will have some better comparisons. I would expect your RAV to be doing around 40mpg and even more on longer trips. In the meantime just have a look at the air filter as it will make a big difference to the fuel consumption if it is blocked. Unclip the cover;

.......you can sometimes get it out by just lifting the cover but if it is tight and you appear to be straining it just unplug the MAF meter;

.......and the jubilee clip;

Lift the lid off and replace a filter that looks like this;

.........with a new one and reverse the removal process to refit;

Try to note if it is black smoking even if you have to get somebody to follow you for a while. Excessive consumption would only normally be due to overfuelling (as in the case of the blocked air filter or an injector fault). Other items like low tyre pressures could have a compounding affect or the way it is being driven. If you have been used to petrols where it is normal to rev it you need to change your driving style. The diesel will cheerfully lug away at engine speeds of up to 3000rpm and cruise at 1500 - 2000rpm.

Good luck.

[chatman]

Anchorman...

Just a quick question... I looked at my air filter the other day.. un-clipped then lifted the lid to have a look.. then after about sec a beep started continuously until I shut the lid again...Just wondered what this noise was... and the meaning....

I'll replace the filter soon and will remove the MAF and clip....

[anchorman]

It means Danger - computer geek playing with engine. Make a strange noise to scare him off.

Actually Chatters it is a warning to say the Battery is disconnected. Something went open circuit while you were straining the lid so it sounds like you have a poor connection somewhere in that area. Do it again and see if you can determin what happened.

[chatman]

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Thanks Anchorman... I'll look again when the temparature gets above freezing.... :rolleyes:

[anchorman]

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Thanks Anchorman... I'll look again when the temparature gets above freezing.... :rolleyes:

We sunbathe up here in this weather. If you are feeling nesh get flossie to stand a bit closer ;)

[Fujisan]

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Thanks Anchorman... I'll look again when the temparature gets above freezing.... :rolleyes:

We sunbathe up here in this weather. If you are feeling nesh get flossie to stand a bit closer ;)

Steady on....I've just had me lunch.

All this talk of nudity and standing close to innocent sheep

[chatman]

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Thanks Anchorman... I'll look again when the temparature gets above freezing.... :rolleyes:

We sunbathe up here in this weather. If you are feeling nesh get flossie to stand a bit closer ;)

Steady on....I've just had me lunch.

All this talk of nudity and standing close to innocent sheep

She is a bit hard at the moment and has a nice crust forming...

time to leave I'll get me coat (wool lined of course)

[DaddyKool]

Hi Everybody, I'm a new member to the T-Club although i do look on here at everyones helpful tips and problems from time to time. Anyway, I have a problem or maybe not (I'm not sure yet) of my own.

I've had our XT4 53'reg (85000 miles) for about a year now......it only had the one owner and was serviced by Toyota from day1. Since owning it, I've had the dreaded FLYWHEEL problem without any towing done with the car and the EGR valve was done at the same time because....so say....the car was running bad and had to be done before they could diagnose the flywheel??

Anyway...after the nice two and a half grand bill, the car seemed fine and has been for the last few months. It did go through a funny stage recently where it kept kangarooing down the road if i floored the acelerator but this has seemed to have cleared. Now...both me and the wife put in the odd 10,20 quid of fuel when required but for the first time since having the car, i filled her right up before christmas which cost £47, to see what mpg we are getting as i have replaced the original cd player with the trip display for a Sony unit.. I obviously reset the clock after refill and used the car over the christmas period but the other day the empty light came on and i checked how many miles i had done and it wasn't much short of 300. About 279 to be exact.

My question is; IS THIS NORMAL?? Because using an online mpg converter, it only works out to be about 25mpg which is what i would expect from the petrol model. It is mainly used around town.

Appologies for the long explanation but wondering whever or not to keep the car when we dont really want to let it go!!

HELP!!!!! :(

Welcome to the club.

I would do the calculation manually using the mileometer on the speedo. As most members do it this way we will have some better comparisons. I would expect your RAV to be doing around 40mpg and even more on longer trips. In the meantime just have a look at the air filter as it will make a big difference to the fuel consumption if it is blocked. Unclip the cover;

.......you can sometimes get it out by just lifting the cover but if it is tight and you appear to be straining it just unplug the MAF meter;

.......and the jubilee clip;

Lift the lid off and replace a filter that looks like this;

.........with a new one and reverse the removal process to refit;

Try to note if it is black smoking even if you have to get somebody to follow you for a while. Excessive consumption would only normally be due to overfuelling (as in the case of the blocked air filter or an injector fault). Other items like low tyre pressures could have a compounding affect or the way it is being driven. If you have been used to petrols where it is normal to rev it you need to change your driving style. The diesel will cheerfully lug away at engine speeds of up to 3000rpm and cruise at 1500 - 2000rpm.

Good luck.

Thanks Anchorman, i will try that but cant see why it would be the air filter because i had it serviced at the same time around 83,000miles whilst Toyota had the car for everything else.

It does kick out smoke if i accelerate hard or if i put my foot down say for example if i was driving at a constant speed in the motorway doing any sort of speed then i accelerate to speed up. I can almost make smoke cloud trail with it, althou i think its more gry smoke than black.....i think it maybe when the turbo starts to spin possibly?? I did have a mechanical friend check for turbo slack when we were trying to diagnose the flywheel problem but was ok??

Do you thinks it needs remapping at all?

[local hero]

Hi Everybody, I'm a new member to the T-Club although i do look on here at everyones helpful tips and problems from time to time. Anyway, I have a problem or maybe not (I'm not sure yet) of my own.

I've had our XT4 53'reg (85000 miles) for about a year now......it only had the one owner and was serviced by Toyota from day1. Since owning it, I've had the dreaded FLYWHEEL problem without any towing done with the car and the EGR valve was done at the same time because....so say....the car was running bad and had to be done before they could diagnose the flywheel??

Anyway...after the nice two and a half grand bill, the car seemed fine and has been for the last few months. It did go through a funny stage recently where it kept kangarooing down the road if i floored the acelerator but this has seemed to have cleared. Now...both me and the wife put in the odd 10,20 quid of fuel when required but for the first time since having the car, i filled her right up before christmas which cost £47, to see what mpg we are getting as i have replaced the original cd player with the trip display for a Sony unit.. I obviously reset the clock after refill and used the car over the christmas period but the other day the empty light came on and i checked how many miles i had done and it wasn't much short of 300. About 279 to be exact.

My question is; IS THIS NORMAL?? Because using an online mpg converter, it only works out to be about 25mpg which is what i would expect from the petrol model. It is mainly used around town.

Appologies for the long explanation but wondering whever or not to keep the car when we dont really want to let it go!!

HELP!!!!! :(

All of the advice from everyone is both helpful + valid, However i think this is a time of year not to be too concerned about fuel consumption especially if you are as you say doing short journeys, are you leaving it ticking over to warm it up? The car may never be reaching proper running temp, you will be using heated screens, demisters, headlamps, + other fuel consuming electrics, I drive a cab + my engine is currently running 12 hrs a day just in an effort to keep warm, then when i fill it up iam wondering why i have only done 150mls + i am putting £30 of fuel in it..Fill the tank give it a good run somewhere then re-fill + get a realistic figure before you get too concerned

[anchorman]

Things don't always get done on service like they should. The service intervals get mixed up when a car changes hands and different repairers get involved. It is easy to check the filter and cheap to rectify but trust me it will make a heck of a difference to the fuel consumption. The air fuel ratio cannot be maintained and can cause your poor fuel consumption.

LH taxi drivers always leave their engine ticking over and that is why you get poor fuel consumption. Its not fair on your neighbours either :P

[DaddyKool]

Things don't always get done on service like they should. The service intervals get mixed up when a car changes hands and different repairers get involved. It is easy to check the filter and cheap to rectify but trust me it will make a heck of a difference to the fuel consumption. The air fuel ratio cannot be maintained and can cause your poor fuel consumption.

LH taxi drivers always leave their engine ticking over and that is why you get poor fuel consumption. Its not fair on your neighbours either :P

Checked the filter this evening and it was definetly done with the service as its not that dirty. Do you recomend changing the filter more often than the service interval maybe?? I hink it was about August time it was done....i remember it being hot at the time.

Another quick question for you.....do you know if the silver cover that sits in front of the headlamp bulb is available as a seperate item as mine has broken off for some unknown reason. I managed to hook it out of the headlamp this evening.

Will setup another post if your not sure. Thanks for all the help :D

[anchorman]

If the air filter looks clean and was done last year don't worry about that any more.

How much fuel did you put in? If you have the details we'll just check that the online converter was right (it hasn't used US gallons or something odd).

If it really is using too much fuel I would expect to see quite a lot of black smoke and that could point to the injectors or turbo.

The headlight part isn't replaceable. It is fitted during the headlight assembly and if missing it will fail the MOT. If you can't fix it you need to look out for another headlight. You could try eBay or Kingo will sell you a new one at a discounted rate.

[alicecat]

Our XT5 TD gives 38 - 40 mpg typically and always has roof bars fitted (they tend to make 1-2 mpg difference, more the faster you go).

Your reticence to calculate your own consumption so here is a "Noddy learns applied maths" which might help (please do not be insulted, I am trying to help not patronise)

Fill your tank and reset your trip meter. Drive as normal until a significant portion of the fuel has been used. Fill the tank again to the same level as before. Write down the number of miles covered and the number of litres of fuel used. Get a calculator. type in the number of miles you did then divide this by the number of litres you used. Next multiply the result of this by 4.545. The number you now have is roughly equal to the number of miles per gallon you have done.

example: you did 331.5 miles and used 27.02 litres.

So: (331.5 / 27.02) * 4.545 = 55.76 mpg

Great, now I think that justifies a rant. Why oh why oh why oh why is the UK so scared of metric units. This would be so much more obvious to people if we were allowed to measure roads in km. I believe it is technically illegal to display a road sign with distances in km; strange since all survey work, etc. has been done in full metric measure for years. Even the US army moves in km!! So why, Mr Brown, do you not have the courage that Geoffrey Howe lacked in the '70s and take us into full metrification?

[DaddyKool]

If the air filter looks clean and was done last year don't worry about that any more.

How much fuel did you put in? If you have the details we'll just check that the online converter was right (it hasn't used US gallons or something odd).

If it really is using too much fuel I would expect to see quite a lot of black smoke and that could point to the injectors or turbo.

The headlight part isn't replaceable. It is fitted during the headlight assembly and if missing it will fail the MOT. If you can't fix it you need to look out for another headlight. You could try ebay or Kingo will sell you a new one at a discounted rate.

Right....I've just checked a receipt i have from the other day when i put a tenner in. Now is says that £10 is 10.32 litres and i still have a little left and the mileometer is showing 67.4miles, so i pressume within the next say 10miles or so, i would expect to see the fuel light come on.

Using the online calculator that i used before (http://www.eforecourt.com/calc_mpg.htm) that works out at 33.04mpg.

Think what i'll do is wait till the light comes on then see what it is then if i can afford too, fill her up again and see how many miles a full tank lasts. I put in £47 before so that works out at 48.50litres, and it dont take a mathamatition to work out that if i have done 70miles on a tenner before i've even run out then times that by 4.7, it works out at 329miles......more than the 275 odd that i did on the previous tank!!

Confused.......will keep you up to date with what happens ;)

[Bodgit-fixit-run]

I'm getting around 40mpg on combined driving.

Combined being town and motoway. Me and the wife. She tends to be heavy on the pedol so I usually end up pulling the mileage up a little. This is measured off the onboard readout on the XT2.

It can go down to around 25 when towing a caravan.

[anchorman]

If the air filter looks clean and was done last year don't worry about that any more.

How much fuel did you put in? If you have the details we'll just check that the online converter was right (it hasn't used US gallons or something odd).

If it really is using too much fuel I would expect to see quite a lot of black smoke and that could point to the injectors or turbo.

The headlight part isn't replaceable. It is fitted during the headlight assembly and if missing it will fail the MOT. If you can't fix it you need to look out for another headlight. You could try ebay or Kingo will sell you a new one at a discounted rate.

Right....I've just checked a receipt i have from the other day when i put a tenner in. Now is says that £10 is 10.32 litres and i still have a little left and the mileometer is showing 67.4miles, so i pressume within the next say 10miles or so, i would expect to see the fuel light come on.

Using the online calculator that i used before (http://www.eforecourt.com/calc_mpg.htm) that works out at 33.04mpg.

Think what i'll do is wait till the light comes on then see what it is then if i can afford too, fill her up again and see how many miles a full tank lasts. I put in £47 before so that works out at 48.50litres, and it dont take a mathamatition to work out that if i have done 70miles on a tenner before i've even run out then times that by 4.7, it works out at 329miles......more than the 275 odd that i did on the previous tank!!

Confused.......will keep you up to date with what happens ;)

The gauge is a very crude instrument and cannot be relied on to predict mileages as it changes. Don't do your calcs to empty do them from full. It is the only way you will know how much you have used.

[local hero]

I'm getting around 40mpg on combined driving.

Combined being town and motoway. Me and the wife. She tends to be heavy on the pedol so I usually end up pulling the mileage up a little. This is measured off the onboard readout on the XT2.

It can go down to around 25 when towing a caravan.

My xt4 d4d is not used everyday, the longest journey in the last 2 mths has been about 4 miles, Ive just looked at my gauge which is showing an average of 5.4 mpl about 24.5 mpg. but i am not in the least concerned, when i consider ive had it ticking over on my drive for 20 mins to get it warm, all the electrics i have used, the times i have sat outside shops etc with the engine running whilst waiting for the wife, I really think the only way to get a realistic mpg is to fill it to the brim, give the car a good run on mixed roads, then refill to the brim again, even the temp of the fuel you are filling with can make a difference to how much you put in, especially in cold weather..

[mick1020]

I'm getting around 40mpg on combined driving.

Combined being town and motoway. Me and the wife. She tends to be heavy on the pedol so I usually end up pulling the mileage up a little. This is measured off the onboard readout on the XT2.

It can go down to around 25 when towing a caravan.

My xt4 d4d is not used everyday, the longest journey in the last 2 mths has been about 4 miles, Ive just looked at my gauge which is showing an average of 5.4 mpl about 24.5 mpg. but i am not in the least concerned, when i consider ive had it ticking over on my drive for 20 mins to get it warm, all the electrics i have used, the times i have sat outside shops etc with the engine running whilst waiting for the wife, I really think the only way to get a realistic mpg is to fill it to the brim, give the car a good run on mixed roads, then refill to the brim again, even the temp of the fuel you are filling with can make a difference to how much you put in, especially in cold weather..

Mine does around 100 miles for 10 litres of fuel taking it easy between 60 - 70 mph .

But normaly with mixed motoring like my last tankful i done 401 miles and it took 44.6 litres to fill to the brim again .

Its never returned less than 40 mpg since the 4 months or so ive had it .

So im very happy with that

[Davrav]

When considering MPG, don't forget side steps, mud flaps and roof bars etc add drag [side steps add considerable weight too - the steps are pretty light but the supports are 2" angle iron and run full length on the 4.3]

I reckon I took a 0.5 MPG hit when I fitted mine

[mickboy]

Always get 400 miles per tank full, tonight it averaged 42.5 coming to work thats all types of road, motorway's, dual carriageways ,traffic lights and roundabouts etc usually driving between 60-70 mph (not round the roundabouts) not bad for the size of vehicle...