Is Every Vvti Oil Thirsty?

[thevic]

After trawling through a load of posts on here about the vvti oil consumption problems i was wondering if anyone has 1.6 or 1.8 vvti engine thats not had this problem??

[Beagh1958]

To thevic,

The answer is no not all vvti engines are bad. The bad ones don't come near the good ones in numbers & we are talking ten's of thousands. Having said that the Honda vtec engine is far superior to anything Toyota make know. Bit like Merc-B best Merc-B engines just like Toyota now in the past.

Regards, Beagh.

[marama32]

After trawling through a load of posts on here about the vvti oil consumption problems i was wondering if anyone has 1.6 or 1.8 vvti engine thats not had this problem??

Hi, I have a 1.6 VVTI. My car had the problem. I have had it six months. I used Lucas Oil Stabiliser, obtainable off eBay. I have since done 5000 miles & have not had to top up since. The previous owner had the problem, but not any more. I have used it in previous cars with favourable results.

[tubaman]

Beagh,

I think many, if they had the time and inclination, would take issue with you regarding the Honda vtec engine.

[Beagh1958]

To tubaman,

Each to their own, no ambiguity can be drawn from what i have stated. I merely used vtec engine as an example & it is an absolutely stunning engine, the atention to detail in the build quality is stunning. If certain parts are stripped from engine & all bolts are thrown into pile, with the majority of engines you would have a problem. Not with Honda, with side casings removed with bolts placed back in to holes, once all bolts stick out the same amount then that is the correct bolt for hole, even the bolts are superbly engineered, it's all in the detail which Toyota do not have anymore. I am afraid despite Toyota vehicles being very very good they are not made to the quality & standard that they once had been. I suggested that vvti engines are very good engines & the vast majority do not have oil problems as was posted via initial Forum User.

Many may take issue with my suggestion, that is their perogative. I drive Toyota & have never had series cause to complain, but i have been in the trade for coming on 30 odd years now & the quality has dropped. No more gold tipped wiring looms for example, has the 4A-Fe or 3S-FE engines ever been bettered. I work on cars that are coming onto 15 to 20 years old, Carinas for example with some 200,000 plus miles on the clock, as the yanks say if it aint bust don't mend it. My Wifes Starlett has 130,000 miles on it & has never missed a beat.

Some how i don't think vvti engined cars will be around that long, well i will be out of the trade by then. And as to the once mighty over engineered mercs, use the 220cdi for example, how long will cabbies hang on to them, they don't come close to the old models. Any cabbie will tell you that.

So Toyota make exceptional cars, but not as exceptional as they used to be. I would not refrain from buying vvti engined car, but then i cannot afford Honda prices. Horses for courses.

[Aamir2892]

Well you say that the Honda engine is great but not as great as you might think. I have family members who own Hondas and thier engines are drinking oil like no tomorrow. He used to own a Carina but had to get a new car due to an accident. he regrets getting a Honda instead of a Avensis. According to them they said that Honda said it is due to the VTEC because it uses oil to activate it like VVTLI & VVTI. I think it also depends on how much you use VVTI itself.

[SF695]

isn't Honda's vtec more a variable valve lift system than variable valve timing system? Also, the original vtec is a 2 stage system. Not saying that Honda engines aren't good, but as i see it you can't really compare them, since they are 2 different systems.

[igormus]

Well you say that the Honda engine is great but not as great as you might think. I have family members who own Hondas and thier engines are drinking oil like no tomorrow. He used to own a Carina but had to get a new car due to an accident. he regrets getting a Honda instead of a Avensis. According to them they said that Honda said it is due to the VTEC because it uses oil to activate it like VVTLI & VVTI. I think it also depends on how much you use VVTI itself.

hello

this oil, is presumed to act as wa working fluid and must be drained into the sump. why do you state the oil is used???

the point is with oil burning due to piston deaign fault initially due to cooling lack.

cheers/Igor

[igormus]

After trawling through a load of posts on here about the vvti oil consumption problems i was wondering if anyone has 1.6 or 1.8 vvti engine thats not had this problem??

Hi, I have a 1.6 VVTI. My car had the problem. I have had it six months. I used Lucas Oil Stabiliser, obtainable off eBay. I have since done 5000 miles & have not had to top up since. The previous owner had the problem, but not any more. I have used it in previous cars with favourable results.

hello

this additive is interresting.

may you post on here the bottle with the name plate + manufacturer web page?

cheers/Igor

[Beagh1958]

Sorry Fellows,

look's like i opened a can of worms. My initial point was i would not refrain from buying a vvti engine car as they don't all drink oil like an alco.

Used Honda engine as example & stand by it. Vtec & vvti are different systems ofcourse ?

Also drive Toyota myself.

But main point was QUALITY, gold tipped wiring looms, two older engines mentioned, will they ever be bettered you cannot argue with drop in QUALITY as it is a fact.

Sorry. Did not mean to take thread off on a tangent. But if you are unlucky you may end up with engine that likes that one extra glass, when everybody else has stopped unless you drive a Mazda RX8.

Regards & apologies to all. But pick me up on the QUALITY of the product. You should not have to buy car with engine that requires additives to stop excessive oil consunption.

Regards & Apologies to all again.

[thevic]

Sorry Fellows,

look's like i opened a can of worms. My initial point was i would not refrain from buying a vvti engine car as they don't all drink oil like an alco.

Used Honda engine as example & stand by it. Vtec & vvti are different systems ofcourse ?

Also drive Toyota myself.

But main point was QUALITY, gold tipped wiring looms, two older engines mentioned, will they ever be bettered you cannot argue with drop in QUALITY as it is a fact.

Sorry. Did not mean to take thread off on a tangent. But if you are unlucky you may end up with engine that likes that one extra glass, when everybody else has stopped unless you drive a Mazda RX8.

Regards & apologies to all. But pick me up on the QUALITY of the product. You should not have to buy car with engine that requires additives to stop excessive oil consunption.

Regards & Apologies to all again.

I agree with you Beagh in my experience as a technician with Rover (had honda engines) and Toyota main dealers, Honda did make a quality car in the 90's when i worked on them, they were on a diffrent planet to the Rover engined Rovers, but on a par with Toyota I would say, that was until the European built Toyotas came out and then i believe the build quality dropped (of the car not the engine). It would be interesting to see if Honda had a similar problem when they started building cars in this country.

I got out of the motor industry as the Yaris was launched

[SF695]

As far as i have heard, this oil burning or oil consumtion if you like was only a problem in the early versions of the 1.8 vvt-i engine.

Also, let's face it. Every engine burns oil. Doesn't have to have anything to do with piston or seal failure. It's inavoideble because of the fact that engine oil is lubricating the cam shafts and valves, making it impossible to avoid a certain amount of oil to enter the combustion chamber trough the intake valves. And the pistons i guess, need some lubrication too.

[carinfront]

After trawling through a load of posts on here about the vvti oil consumption problems i was wondering if anyone has 1.6 or 1.8 vvti engine thats not had this problem??

Hi, I have a 1.6 VVTI. My car had the problem. I have had it six months. I used Lucas Oil Stabiliser, obtainable off eBay. I have since done 5000 miles & have not had to top up since. The previous owner had the problem, but not any more. I have used it in previous cars with favourable results.

hello

this additive is interresting.

may you post on here the bottle with the name plate + manufacturer web page?

cheers/Igor

Igor,

He said eBay, but I also found it on the manufacturers website:

http://www.lucasoil.co.uk/

online store available with a variety of other products. Cost is about the same on either eBay or Lucas Oil.

Cheers

Mike

[Aamir2892]

Sorry Fellows,

look's like i opened a can of worms. My initial point was i would not refrain from buying a vvti engine car as they don't all drink oil like an alco.

Used Honda engine as example & stand by it. Vtec & vvti are different systems ofcourse ?

Also drive Toyota myself.

But main point was QUALITY, gold tipped wiring looms, two older engines mentioned, will they ever be bettered you cannot argue with drop in QUALITY as it is a fact.

Sorry. Did not mean to take thread off on a tangent. But if you are unlucky you may end up with engine that likes that one extra glass, when everybody else has stopped unless you drive a Mazda RX8.

Regards & apologies to all. But pick me up on the QUALITY of the product. You should not have to buy car with engine that requires additives to stop excessive oil consunption.

Regards & Apologies to all again.

I agree with you Beagh in my experience as a technician with Rover (had honda engines) and Toyota main dealers, Honda did make a quality car in the 90's when i worked on them, they were on a diffrent planet to the Rover engined Rovers, but on a par with Toyota I would say, that was until the European built Toyotas came out and then i believe the build quality dropped (of the car not the engine). It would be interesting to see if Honda had a similar problem when they started building cars in this country.

I got out of the motor industry as the Yaris was launched

"i believe the build quality dropped (of the car not the engine)."

Yes because if you look at the different engine components on the Toyota engine they are either made in Japan or Germany.

[Aamir2892]

Sorry Fellows,

look's like i opened a can of worms. My initial point was i would not refrain from buying a vvti engine car as they don't all drink oil like an alco.

Used Honda engine as example & stand by it. Vtec & vvti are different systems ofcourse ?

Also drive Toyota myself.

But main point was QUALITY, gold tipped wiring looms, two older engines mentioned, will they ever be bettered you cannot argue with drop in QUALITY as it is a fact.

Sorry. Did not mean to take thread off on a tangent. But if you are unlucky you may end up with engine that likes that one extra glass, when everybody else has stopped unless you drive a Mazda RX8.

Regards & apologies to all. But pick me up on the QUALITY of the product. You should not have to buy car with engine that requires additives to stop excessive oil consunption.

Regards & Apologies to all again.

"Vtec & vvti are different systems ofcourse ?"

Yes they are different. VTEC works exactly like VVTL-I where it uses oil to push a pin which allow the Intake (& outtake on DUAL VVTL-I) valves to open more to allow more air to be sucked into the engine. VVT-I uses oil to cleverly turn the whole cam shaft timing a little so the intake valves (& outtake on DUAL VVT-I) open a lot quicker when needed.

[Aamir2892]

isn't Honda's vtec more a variable valve lift system than variable valve timing system? Also, the original vtec is a 2 stage system. Not saying that Honda engines aren't good, but as i see it you can't really compare them, since they are 2 different systems.

Yes but both systems use oil to activate the systems.

[Aamir2892]

Well you say that the Honda engine is great but not as great as you might think. I have family members who own Hondas and thier engines are drinking oil like no tomorrow. He used to own a Carina but had to get a new car due to an accident. he regrets getting a Honda instead of a Avensis. According to them they said that Honda said it is due to the VTEC because it uses oil to activate it like VVTLI & VVTI. I think it also depends on how much you use VVTI itself.

hello

this oil, is presumed to act as wa working fluid and must be drained into the sump. why do you state the oil is used???

the point is with oil burning due to piston deaign fault initially due to cooling lack.

cheers/Igor

I dont know what and why its drinking up oil all i know is that he has to a good eye on his oil level. I presume its the same reason as the VVT-I that this topic was started from .

[corolla_dude]

yeah my celica drinks quite alot.

dunno why i just top it up again

[SF695]

isn't Honda's vtec more a variable valve lift system than variable valve timing system? Also, the original vtec is a 2 stage system. Not saying that Honda engines aren't good, but as i see it you can't really compare them, since they are 2 different systems.

Yes but both systems use oil to activate the systems.

Yes, but Honda's Vtec mechanism only engages during the switch between the 2 lift profiles at around 4000-5000 rpm or so. Mind you i talk about the original vtec in it's simplest form

[Aamir2892]

isn't Honda's vtec more a variable valve lift system than variable valve timing system? Also, the original vtec is a 2 stage system. Not saying that Honda engines aren't good, but as i see it you can't really compare them, since they are 2 different systems.

Yes but both systems use oil to activate the systems.

Yes, but Honda's Vtec mechanism only engages during the switch between the 2 lift profiles at around 4000-5000 rpm or so. Mind you i talk about the original vtec in it's simplest form

Yes i do know that but its still the same as how VVTL-I works. I dont know how honda came into these topic questions??? We are talking about Toyotas system here people!!!

[SF695]

isn't Honda's vtec more a variable valve lift system than variable valve timing system? Also, the original vtec is a 2 stage system. Not saying that Honda engines aren't good, but as i see it you can't really compare them, since they are 2 different systems.

Yes but both systems use oil to activate the systems.

Yes, but Honda's Vtec mechanism only engages during the switch between the 2 lift profiles at around 4000-5000 rpm or so. Mind you i talk about the original vtec in it's simplest form

Yes i do know that but its still the same as how VVTL-I works. I dont know how honda came into these topic questions??? We are talking about Toyotas system here people!!!

Well, someone obviously felt the need to compare the 2 systems. It's half true that it's the same as vvtl-works. vvtl-i is a combination of vvt-i and variable valvelift as we know it from honda's vtec. As far as i know it was only found in the 2ZZ-GE engines and the L function didn't engage until 6000 rpm. They discontinued it, because of polution and fuel econemy issues. However the introduction of valvematic in combination with vvt-i is a far more advanced version of the vvtl-i, since the variable lift now is operating all over the rpm scale

Regarding the oil, i believe later vvt-i engines did not experience that problem. Why it was a problem for some models i don't know

[igormus]

Well you say that the Honda engine is great but not as great as you might think. I have family members who own Hondas and thier engines are drinking oil like no tomorrow. He used to own a Carina but had to get a new car due to an accident. he regrets getting a Honda instead of a Avensis. According to them they said that Honda said it is due to the VTEC because it uses oil to activate it like VVTLI & VVTI. I think it also depends on how much you use VVTI itself.

hello

this oil, is presumed to act as wa working fluid and must be drained into the sump. why do you state the oil is used???

the point is with oil burning due to piston deaign fault initially due to cooling lack.

cheers/Igor

I dont know what and why its drinking up oil all i know is that he has to a good eye on his oil level. I presume its the same reason as the VVT-I that this topic was started from .

hello

i have all photoes of this engine dismantled with clear proof of the reason.

any person interrested -- give me email ID and I will send it by return.

cheers/Igor

[SF695]

Why not just upload it? Along with an explenation of the reason