Is The T180/sr180 A Complete Lemon ?

[dieseldrinker]

C'mon folks, I give you the T180/SR180:

• Bland looks
  
• No style
  
• Poor interior
  
• Awful stereo
  
• Uncomfortable Seats
  
• Poor performance
  
• So-so handling
  
• Awful fuel consumption
  

So, is it a Lemon, will you guys stick by it and defend such an obviously flawed car ? Obviously that gimp boozehound will, he drives whatever Daddy gives him, but how about the rest of you ?

DD

[OldSkoO1]

Like mine, not the best car by far but a good all rounder

I've always said, auris is good at everything but not exceptional at anything. t180 has a great engine which makes a decent all rounder, better. I have it because i've had t-sports and the supercharged t-sport in the past. I wanted a change.

I could have easily bough a 170 tdi golf mk5 or a seat or an a3 but i've had v.bad experiences with VW. BMW 330d or at a stretch 335d was v.apealing but i decided to spend my cash on something else. I have more important things to buy. Mercedes have also caused issues with electronics and expensive services, neighbours passat is constantly in for problems. I would never drive a ford or vauxhall and the i've also had poor reliability from the french stuff.

You've got 2 options when buying cars, Japanese for good all rounders or VW / Audi for good cars with good looks. They aren't as reliable and more expensive to own so its whatever you think.

As for fuel economy its obvious a problem for some however it isn't just toyota, none of the latest diesel common rails are meeting their combined MPG. Insignia and new ford 2 good examples. People here getting 39MPG on the ford when it should be 45MPG on the 2.2 and the Insignia is rubbish, i think 36.5mpg when it should be 47.

VAG are the only ones that do quite well on MPG v official combined but then again they don't care about nox or particle emissions but once the regulations force them to address the issue they will suffer the same problems.

As for the styling / handling and all the other stuff you mentioned that wasn't MPG related then why the hell didn't you pick this up when you test drove it. Your probably glad you've chopped it in but its your own fault. Why did you part with cash without spotting such basic things.

[Aldridge Andy]

Bland looks... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but traditionally Toyota's family cars sporting flagships have been understated

No style... As above it depends what you're looking for, I feel happier about a SR/T180 not attracting the wrong sort of attention

Poor interior... Plastics, and general build quality are pants I agree, but ergonimics are as good as the competition

Awful stereo... To be honest I'm pretty happy with mine, it does what it has to do, and as standard fit is better than some of the competition

Uncomfortable Seats... This has to be totally personal, and as a 6'3" 12.5 st a 300mile drive is comfortable

Poor performance...1st and 2nd gear from stand-still are pants, common with most diesels, but once on the move it's pretty good

So-so handling...It's no "Ford Focus" which is the benchmark that all appear to strive to achieve

Awful fuel consumption...30's kicking around, low to mid 40's on a run, could be better, but on the plus side it's a nice refined engine once warm

I'm not saying the Auris is perfect, and we all have our own "main gripe" with the car. For me it's the poor build quality that allow the numerous rattles to be present in every Auris I've driven. The secondly the cheap and nasty plastics that are no where near as good as they should be. The person who approved something like the upper glovebox lid needs their ***** kicking!

I suspect Toyota are aware of their mistakes with the current Auris, and will be having a facelifted, mid-life fix version out soon. The question remains, who of the current Auris owners would buy another? I've owned two, and driven many, they all have the same common problems, plus the odd quirk unique to each car.

[T Sport 1978]

C'mon folks, I give you the T180/SR180:

• Bland looks
  
• No style
  
• Poor interior
  
• Awful stereo
  
• Uncomfortable Seats
  
• Poor performance
  
• So-so handling
  
• Awful fuel consumption
  

So, is it a Lemon, will you guys stick by it and defend such an obviously flawed car ? Obviously that gimp boozehound will, he drives whatever Daddy gives him, but how about the rest of you ?

DD

Haha, you make me laugh.

If you are so unhappy, change it.

I like my T180, has all the kit that I want in a car and it is well put together. It is reliable and performs well enough for any type of driving that i throw at it, what the hell more do i want from my daily hatchback that cost me £9k???

Go get yourself something else mate and stop picking on all the negatives, go on the BMW forums for 1 series owners and they have their own gripes. My girlfriend's A3 (140 TDI) is nice but it has its own gripe, just like any other car.

[Johan007]

...you get what you pay for... and it seems good value to me. I love the look of all the T180 range (RAV4 etc...)

[boozehound]

diesel drinker if your calling people gimps on the internet on a **** forum website then clearly you have some issues and lack of maturity. Secondly i pay for my car myself, i just run it through my dads company as contract hire is cheaper then personal hire or hire purchase so keep your immature comments to yourself thankyou very much

[boozehound]

Bland looks I think it looks alright, not too chavvy but not too boring. I dont like to attract alot of attention anyway

No style Again, i think it looks ok

Poor interior Havent had any problems with it myself as of yet as i hoover it and wash the surfaces once a week to once a fortnight

Awful stereo I have the sat nav system with it and think its the future, havent had any quiggles with it

Uncomfortable Seats Im 6 feet 5 and have not yet developed skeletal problems because of it so thats fine

Poor performance For what it is i think its quick enough. If you want to be quick you dont buy a diesel. I just like the inline torque power

So-so handling I dont drive like a chav anyways so i dont fling it round corners or do handbrake turns.

Awful fuel consumption Well on my last tank of fuel i averaged 42 mpg so thats good enough for me

[Cablechap]

C'mon folks, I give you the T180/SR180:

• Bland looks
  
• No style
  
• Poor interior
  
• Awful stereo
  
• Uncomfortable Seats
  
• Poor performance
  
• So-so handling
  
• Awful fuel consumption
  

So, is it a Lemon, will you guys stick by it and defend such an obviously flawed car ? Obviously that gimp boozehound will, he drives whatever Daddy gives him, but how about the rest of you ?

DD

[*]Bland looks - I bought mine because I wanted a 5 door hatch and at the time (Nov '07) it wasn't any worse than the offerings from other manufacturers. The Leon FR and Civic possibly looked better but Seat dealership is 25 miles away and the Honda only came with 138bhp.

[*]No style - compared to what?

[*]Poor interior - plastics are definately low-rent

[*]Awful stereo - good enough for my needs

[*]Uncomfortable Seats - very comfortable for me, though could do with more side support

[*]Poor performance - you'll having a laugh, Toyota quote 7.9 secs to sixty with the poor low gearing, and with all that torque in 3rd and 4th it goes like stink.

[*]So-so handling - not as good as some VW and Ford but not dangerous

[*]Awful fuel consumption - I mainly do town and short journeys at present and am getting mid 30's - Toyota claim 35.8 mpg for urban driving so I have no problem with that - what 2.23 litre hatchback with 175bhp delivers better?

If you've got so many issues with the car why did you buy it? 90% could easily have been spotted before handing over the cash....

[boozehound]

maybe dieseldrinker is a VW rep who is ****** off with the range of diesels in the VW camp

[Rick D4D]

• Bland looks - Depends what you want I like it and unlike a Hot Hatch it does not generate unwanted atention
  
• No style - As above but each to their own
  
• Poor interior - For the price its fine you should look at a Citreon
  
• Awful stereo - I have the upgraded sat nav system and as standard head units go its fine
  
• Uncomfortable Seats - mine are fine maybe you dont sit right
  
• Poor performance - For a diesel its very good so what you on about
  
• So-so handling - Its a family cruiser not a Hot Hatch
  
• Awful fuel consumption - Its not that bad but it is not as good as the figures say but if you want a clean eco diesel with 177BHP you cant have 60mpg, but on the last tank with an average speed of 24mph we got 39.6mpg so its not that bad
  

Now we know you got rid of your T180 because you could not afford to run it so before you slate the car lets hear what you drive instead

[dieseldrinker]

Whoops, it seems I have upset a few of the ladyboys on here !

As a high mileage driver (>20k a year) I bought the Auris T180 with my head rather than my heart. I was happy to make the compromise on looks/style/handling/comfort etc provided I got a sound reliable motor that could return 45 to 50 mpg. Without that, the compromises are just not worth it. I traded in an Alfa 156 1.9JTDM (150HP) that never dropped below 45 and usually around 50 even when driven hard. If any of you have ever owned an Alfa you will know just how good they are to drive.

So, I got rid of the Auris, traded it for another 1.9TD (150 HP) also does 45 to 50, a Sportwagon, bigger, heavier, comfier, better looks, nicer to drive etc etc and it's an auto to boot which also hammers consumption.

The T180 is flawed ladies and gents, only Toyota could come up with a medium hatch that guzzles fuel like this. Yes it may have 180HP, but answer me honestly, does it really feel like it ? I think not !

Too many compromises, not enough strengths, they're listed all over these forums !

DD

[Rick D4D]

I bought the Auris T180 with my head rather than my heart. I traded in an Alfa 156 1.9JTDM (150HP)

Well you did not buy an Alfa with your head or heart, I see big repair bills on the horizon for you then no doubt you will be slagging the Alfa off on the Alfa forum :lol2:

[dieseldrinker]

I think you may have missed the point there. I traded in an Alfa for the Auris. I don't have the Alfa now. I did 53000 miles in 27 months. Apart from servicing and tyres it cost me £90 for a squeaking upper wishbone.

Very pleased with the Alfa, but after 66k it was time for a change.

DD

[boozehound]

well they use the same engine tht the t180/sr180 auris has in the lexus 220d so it must be good. and yes it feels like 180hp if u no how to use it.

[dieseldrinker]

well they use the same engine tht the t180/sr180 auris has in the lexus 220d so it must be good. and yes it feels like 180hp if u no how to use it.

comparing Lexus and the Auris - chalk and cheese perhaps !

[Djw John]

well they use the same engine tht the t180/sr180 auris has in the lexus 220d so it must be good. and yes it feels like 180hp if u no how to use it.

Its never felt like it has the power it does, weight kills it. My Dad recently drove mine quite a bit and thought it was the same power as his 130bhp (I think) Leon, couldnt believe it had 183bhp. And a 15.9 1/4 mile is pretty crap in all honesty. Im not saying its slow but it certainly doesnt feel fast to me.

[OldSkoO1]

well they use the same engine tht the t180/sr180 auris has in the lexus 220d so it must be good. and yes it feels like 180hp if u no how to use it.

Its never felt like it has the power it does, weight kills it. My Dad recently drove mine quite a bit and thought it was the same power as his 130bhp (I think) Leon, couldnt believe it had 183bhp. And a 15.9 1/4 mile is pretty crap in all honesty. Im not saying its slow but it certainly doesnt feel fast to me.

You know why it doesn't feel like 180bhp - its because of the power curve, its very curvy.. not sure how that compares to the leon etc but the t180 is maybe doing 110bhp at 2k.... 120bhp at 2.2 etc etc - After a chip its more like 140/150bhp right from 2k to 4.5k with 180-200bhp peaks around 3.6k

imho toyota could have mapped the power up a bit across the rev range. The VAGs power comes in earlier, torque is earlier and between low and mid rpm's it probably is very similar, the extra BHP shows when you just keep on accelerating, even through the gears although the initial torque also helps and does make it quicker.

Basically chipped you can extact A LOT more power from very low down. Put that torque with 150bhp right from 2k and its a completely different car.

[cabcurtains]

The older PD VAG's do put the power down in a big lump low down, the newer Common Railer's like my Passat don't. This makes them feel faster as their power delivery is more dramatic. They are also prone to producing more power than their official figures.

Auris figures: 1450 Kgs & 173 BHP =119 BHP Per Tonne 0-60 in 8 is comparable with similiar weight and power diesel cars. The fuel figures dont seem to be on par though!

Interesting with the Alfa, i had an automatic Cadillac BLS with that Fiat engine in it, the engine management warning light came on every 50 Miles for the 1st week! A customer of mine has an Astra with the same 1.9 150 PS lump and that keeps burning its injectors out.

As always its about opinion & preference.

[dieseldrinker]

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As always its about opinion & preference.

Yes, opinions differ, however, a major car manufacturer managing to build a medium sized deisel hatchback which by their own admission averages 33 to 39 mpg is crap, and that my man, is a fact. Yes, all the other stuff is quite subjective, but it looks like many of my comments are backed up by others on here.

DD

[OldSkoO1]

Can't change your experiences but its not just toyota, the new fords are doing 7-10mpg less than stated. Thats from the fiesta and the mondeo, the honda accord is the same too, nearly 7mpg down on combined.

BMW suffer too, i personally think the BMW's are phenomenal driving machines and the engines are absolutely sublime and return jaw dropping MPG and co2 performance. The 320d is rated at something crazy like 58-62mpg official if i remember correctly, however real life it will do about 48mpg combined. It is happening all over the shop on new diesels and by new i mean 2008/09. There are however, some exceptions. VAG mainly and anything built without a DPF or common rail engine. Even that is changing, cue new skoda, launching in a month or so with the new common rail engine with DPF i believe.

[boozehound]

the skoda vrs diesel is a match for the auris 180 but it produces 50 nm of torque less then the auris and also 10hp less then the auris. I think it also returns the same mpg as the auris as well

[dieseldrinker]

Well everyone, you'll be glad to know all votes are in, I have finsished the survey and have the long awaited results for you.

So is the T180/SR180 a Complete Lemon ?

After some very careful consideration of the reponses to this thread and reading many of the others. The judges (me) have concluded, and remember, the judges decision is final, that the Auris T180/SR180 is indeed.........................a Complete Lemon !

Unfortunately, many of you are now stuck with your cars, so feel free to stick up for it.

Right, I'm off to enjoy a drive in my Saab !

Oh yes, boozehound, you know what you are, nothing's changed !

Cheers

DD

[Speed_Chaser]

Byebye... Have fun on the Saab forum!

[GregP]

Byebye... Have fun on the Saab forum!

Sorry Alex, but you can't have Vauxhall/Saab and fun together :D

[balli hi]

Well everyone, you'll be glad to know all votes are in, I have finsished the survey and have the long awaited results for you.

So is the T180/SR180 a Complete Lemon ?

After some very careful consideration of the reponses to this thread and reading many of the others. The judges (me) have concluded, and remember, the judges decision is final, that the Auris T180/SR180 is indeed.........................a Complete Lemon !

Unfortunately, many of you are now stuck with your cars, so feel free to stick up for it.

Right, I'm off to enjoy a drive in my Saab !

Oh yes, boozehound, you know what you are, nothing's changed !

Cheers

DD

Did dieseldrinker ever post his age on the How old are you Auris owners topic ? , what a he spouted the sort of stuff you'd expect from a ten year old