Face-lift On The Rav 4

[duncerduncs]

I managed to get a little more information this afternoon about the models that will be available from June/July onwards.

There will only be 2 trims available (XT-R and SR) with 4 engine/transmission combinations.

The base model will be the 2.0 Valvematic XT-R with 2 wheel drive and a 6 speed manual transmission. This engine is also available with the Multidrive S transmission and this model has 4 wheel drive.

For those who prefer the black pump, the XT-R will be available with the 2.2 (150) D-4D engine also coupled to a 6 speed manual. The final model will be 2.2 (150) D-CAT engine with Multidrive S gearbox, which will be known as SR. Both of these models are 4 wheel drive.

The 2.2 (177) D-CAT will no longer be available.

[Plutus]

Thanks for the info.

What is the difference between the D-4D and the D-CAT engines (sorry, I've never taken any interest in diesel as they've never had an auto box)?

[duncerduncs]

This might be some help...

D_CAT.pdf

... or not!

[Plutus]

Thanks. Good link.

[duncerduncs]

The Toyota Europe website now has information and pictures on the 'new' Rav.

It shows more engines than I mentioned as this is the site for the whole of Europe, but it does provide us with CO₂ and mpg information :)

If you don't have time to look, they are as follows:

Model (0-62mph/ Top Speed (MPH)/ Combined MPG/ CO₂)

XT-R 2.0 2wd Petrol 6 speed manual 10.2/ 115/ 38.2/ 174

XT-R 2.0 4wd Petrol Multidrive S 11.0/ 115/ 37.6/ 177

XT-R 2.2 4wd Diesel 6 speed manual 10.2/ 118/ 48.7/ 154

SR 2.2 4wd Diesel 6 speed automatic* 10.8/ 115/ 39.2/ 189

I think the CO₂ emissions for the face-lifted model are pretty good :)

* I got a little bit confused with my own notes and said the diesel came with a Multidrive S gearbox, it would seem that it is a 6 speed auto!

[Mereside]

Just been on the toyota link for the new Rav4 and the 2,2 D-CAT 6 speed auto with paddle shift is the one for me.

Is this the first time Toyota has had this gearbox in a car as it sounds similar to the VW group DSG which I have had in 2 previous cars and found it to be excellent. If it is a torque converter automatic with 6 'simulated' gears then I'll keep mine.

[Dippy]

I'm very interested that they seem to have discontinued the high power model - no-one does that without a reason.

I wonder if it's to make space for a baby Lexus powered by the same engine?

[anchorman]

Just been on the toyota link for the new Rav4 and the 2,2 D-CAT 6 speed auto with paddle shift is the one for me.

Is this the first time Toyota has had this gearbox in a car as it sounds similar to the VW group DSG which I have had in 2 previous cars and found it to be excellent. If it is a torque converter automatic with 6 'simulated' gears then I'll keep mine.

I can assure you it is a "proper" 6 speed automatic;

New_car_auto_gearbox_2.pdf

[anchorman]

I'm very interested that they seem to have discontinued the high power model - no-one does that without a reason.

I wonder if it's to make space for a baby Lexus powered by the same engine?

They have upped the torque of the FHV (150 D-CAT) to 400Nm which is the same as the outgoing T/SR180.

[duncerduncs]

I'm very interested that they seem to have discontinued the high power model - no-one does that without a reason.

I wonder if it's to make space for a baby Lexus powered by the same engine?

It hasn't been discontinued on mainland Europe, just here in the UK (maybe we drive on the wrong side of the road!)

The CO₂ has also come down on this model from 185 to 177g/km

[Dippy]

Dunc - Toyota is Japanese - the Brits drive on the RIGHT side of the road, it's the rest of Europe that is wrong ;)

Anchorman - fair point, but I'm thinking of marketing reasons, and no-one markets their cars to the general public using torque figures.

It's a headline-killer. If the X3 has 177bhp, the GLK has, erm, ?170, the Q5 has 166 - why would Toyota drop their comparable product down to 150 again? Unless it's far-thinking move to do with emissions bands and tax brackets, as implied? But I can't believe that's the case - Other countries have emissions bands too, you could keep offering the flagship product (partiularly as it's still made for other countries) and just expect to sell less. And basing it on emissions bands would be a hell of a gamble in the current climate.

Weird...

[Plutus]

I think that the VW Tiguan is the main competition to the Rav. The 3 Dippy quotes will all be in a higher price band.

They may introduce 180 bhp later as car companies often seem to introduce the mainstream engines first.

The new RAV auto diesel compares favourably to the Tiguan 140 4 motion auto.

BHP - Tig 140, Rav 150

CO2 - Tig 199, Rav 189

Combined mpg - Tig 37.7, Rav 39.2

It will probably have a better spec. too.

BTW, is the D-CAt engine chain cam?

[anchorman]

BTW, is the D-CAt engine chain cam?

Yes, all the 2.2s are chain driven.

[duncerduncs]

Dunc - Toyota is Japanese - the Brits drive on the RIGHT side of the road, it's the rest of Europe that is wrong ;)

Not when it comes to making them

Think about it logically. The Rav 4 X models can be sold in any country in mainland Europe, therefore Toyota can make enough of them to justify the production costs. The T180/SR180 didn't sell in this country due to it's high list price, Toyota only shifted the last of the SR180 models when they knocked £3.5k off the list price!

Toyota GB are probably unable to sell the T180/SR180 at a low enough price, to sell enough of them, to justify the production costs (at least for know).

[chatman]

Think about it logically. The Rav 4 X models can be sold in any country in mainland Europe, therefore Toyota can make enough of them to justify the production costs. The T180/SR180 didn't sell in this country due to it's high list price, Toyota only shifted the last of the SR180 models when they knocked £3.5k off the list price!

Toyota GB are probably unable to sell the T180/SR180 at a low enough price, to sell enough of them, to justify the production costs (at least for know).

NO NO the T180/SR180 where killed of by the stupid runflat issues and exuberant costs Toyota wanted to replace the tyre/Donut rings when they go wrong... Fantastic Engine and spec-ed car but let down by the silly tyres they tried to fob of onto buyers.... that's what IMHO I believe killed them off.....

[anchorman]

IMHO it is all to do with the current "Optimal Drive" strategy.

Part of this is to seriously reduce emmisions and in doing so they have dropped the BHP (which in fact means very little) to 150 ish and upped the torque (which is the true measure of engine performance) to 400Nm.

In this case there is no reason to have a "180" rated engine. It has no meaning as far as the range is concerned.

Don't forget it is the same 2.2 litre engine with tuning tweeks in all cases.