D4d Breakdown !

[rob virgo]

after a run yesterday stopped the car at a shop and it wouldnt restart.fired once or twice on the starter but sounded like an engine running on (like a tractor with out exuast). throttle having no effect on running at this point.i shut it off as it sounded so bad.

had to call tow away and he got it going by pumping up fuel filter plunger(one/two strokes to hard) and a squirt of easystart into intake.

he suggested the fuel pressure but didnt know if one or two fuel pumps.is there a lift pump and high press pump in 2004 avensis d4d engine.

any other ideas on what this could be,seems down on power as well so suggestions please.

if its the fuel pump i can fix myself if i know where it is.

rob v

[igormus]

after a run yesterday stopped the car at a shop and it wouldnt restart.fired once or twice on the starter but sounded like an engine running on (like a tractor with out exuast). throttle having no effect on running at this point.i shut it off as it sounded so bad.

had to call tow away and he got it going by pumping up fuel filter plunger(one/two strokes to hard) and a squirt of easystart into intake.

he suggested the fuel pressure but didnt know if one or two fuel pumps.is there a lift pump and high press pump in 2004 avensis d4d engine.

any other ideas on what this could be,seems down on power as well so suggestions please.

if its the fuel pump i can fix myself if i know where it is.

rob v

hi ROB

please reply the below listed, asf:

- the last works list during service;

- whether you had diesel in the tank?

- whether or not the fine fuel filter was changed before?

- whether you have taken over on fuel injectors (what is their condition)?

- check with two solenoid valves mounted on the HP fuel injection pump (el circuit -- alive or not -- in case of positive - the valve must to click !);

- unscrew one of the injection pipes from injector or even fuel pipe from fuel pressure retainer and be assured the HP pump delivers diesel in comon rail.

- whether someone has been adjusting injection timing before?

Please check and revert shortly

Cheers/Igor

[igormus]

after a run yesterday stopped the car at a shop and it wouldnt restart.fired once or twice on the starter but sounded like an engine running on (like a tractor with out exuast). throttle having no effect on running at this point.i shut it off as it sounded so bad.

had to call tow away and he got it going by pumping up fuel filter plunger(one/two strokes to hard) and a squirt of easystart into intake.

he suggested the fuel pressure but didnt know if one or two fuel pumps.is there a lift pump and high press pump in 2004 avensis d4d engine.

any other ideas on what this could be,seems down on power as well so suggestions please.

if its the fuel pump i can fix myself if i know where it is.

rob v

hi ROB

please reply the below listed, asf:

- the last works list during service;

- whether you had diesel in the tank?

- whether or not the fine fuel filter was changed before?

- whether you have taken over on fuel injectors (what is their condition)?

- check with two solenoid valves mounted on the HP fuel injection pump (el circuit -- alive or not -- in case of positive - the valve must to click !);

- unscrew one of the injection pipes from injector or even fuel pipe from fuel pressure retainer and be assured the HP pump delivers diesel in comon rail.

- whether someone has been adjusting injection timing before?

Please check and revert shortly

Cheers/Igor

besides

there is a booster pump (manually driven)mounted on the fine fuel filter upper case. try to pump it, but when ignition is ON (without starting), otherwise both solenoind valves do not allow diesel to be sucted into the injection pump (!!!). try it first;

secondly when pumped - have an air escaping bolt released to check whether an air is available in the filter (it is bad agent for filter). Besides -- when the fule filter element was last changed???? May be the problem is there. In order to eliminate all chain links -- you must be sure that you act step by spep.

cheers/Igor

[igormus]

after a run yesterday stopped the car at a shop and it wouldnt restart.fired once or twice on the starter but sounded like an engine running on (like a tractor with out exuast). throttle having no effect on running at this point.i shut it off as it sounded so bad.

had to call tow away and he got it going by pumping up fuel filter plunger(one/two strokes to hard) and a squirt of easystart into intake.

he suggested the fuel pressure but didnt know if one or two fuel pumps.is there a lift pump and high press pump in 2004 avensis d4d engine.

any other ideas on what this could be,seems down on power as well so suggestions please.

if its the fuel pump i can fix myself if i know where it is.

rob v

hi ROB

please reply the below listed, asf:

- the last works list during service;

- whether you had diesel in the tank?

- whether or not the fine fuel filter was changed before?

- whether you have taken over on fuel injectors (what is their condition)?

- check with two solenoid valves mounted on the HP fuel injection pump (el circuit -- alive or not -- in case of positive - the valve must to click !);

- unscrew one of the injection pipes from injector or even fuel pipe from fuel pressure retainer and be assured the HP pump delivers diesel in comon rail.

- whether someone has been adjusting injection timing before?

Please check and revert shortly

Cheers/Igor

besides

whether your engine is chain or cam belt driven (i mean for injection timing)

cheers/Igor

besides

there is a booster pump (manually driven)mounted on the fine fuel filter upper case. try to pump it, but when ignition is ON (without starting), otherwise both solenoind valves do not allow diesel to be sucted into the injection pump (!!!). try it first;

secondly when pumped - have an air escaping bolt released to check whether an air is available in the filter (it is bad agent for filter). Besides -- when the fule filter element was last changed???? May be the problem is there. In order to eliminate all chain links -- you must be sure that you act step by spep.

cheers/Igor

[rob virgo]

after a run yesterday stopped the car at a shop and it wouldnt restart.fired once or twice on the starter but sounded like an engine running on (like a tractor with out exuast). throttle having no effect on running at this point.i shut it off as it sounded so bad.

had to call tow away and he got it going by pumping up fuel filter plunger(one/two strokes to hard) and a squirt of easystart into intake.

he suggested the fuel pressure but didnt know if one or two fuel pumps.is there a lift pump and high press pump in 2004 avensis d4d engine.

any other ideas on what this could be,seems down on power as well so suggestions please.

if its the fuel pump i can fix myself if i know where it is.

rob v

hi ROB

please reply the below listed, asf:

- the last works list during service;

oil and oil filter

- whether you had diesel in the tank?

full tank

- whether or not the fine fuel filter was changed before?

about 20 k ago

- whether you have taken over on fuel injectors (what is their condition)?

dont understand,toyota ran dianostic on eng inc injectors,no fault found

- check with two solenoid valves mounted on the HP fuel injection pump (el circuit -- alive or not -- in case of positive - the valve must to click !);

will do,is this with ign on or off,is it very high pressure ex pump.

- unscrew one of the injection pipes from injector or even fuel pipe from fuel pressure retainer and be assured the HP pump delivers diesel in comon rail.

will do,

- whether someone has been adjusting injection timing before?

no one has done any work here

i have changed the fuel filter today as a first step.will let you know if that improves ,should notice on drive as car seems down on power before.

cheers for your advise.

rob v

Please check and revert shortly

Cheers/Igor

[igormus]

hi ROB

- the last works list during service;

oil and oil filter --------------------------OK

- whether you had diesel in the tank?

full tank ---------------------------------OK

- whether or not the fine fuel filter was changed before?

about 20 k ago ------------------------ IT IS LONG TERM OF SERVICE !!!!

- whether you have taken over on fuel injectors (what is their condition)?

dont understand,toyota ran dianostic on eng inc injectors,no fault found ----- NORMALLY THEY MUST TOO SHOW THEIR PERFORMANCE TO YOU BEFORE INSTALLATION !!!!!

- check with two solenoid valves mounted on the HP fuel injection pump (el circuit -- alive or not -- in case of positive - the valve must to click !);

will do,is this with ign on or off,is it very high pressure ex pump. --- DO NOT DISMANTLE -- JUST HAVE MULTITESTER AND CHECK WITH RESISTANCE OF EACH COIL.

- unscrew one of the injection pipes from injector or even fuel pipe from fuel pressure retainer and be assured the HP pump delivers diesel in comon rail.

will do, ------ OK put rags around not to spoil diesel on other parts

- whether someone has been adjusting injection timing before?

no one has done any work here ---------------------- OK

i have changed the fuel filter today as a first step.will let you know if that improves ,should notice on drive as car seems down on power before.

cheers for your advise. ------- OK

ROB --- try to test drive tomorrow or even today.

I feel that the problem was with filter due to age

good luck + come back with any reply

Igor

[igormus]

hi ROB

- the last works list during service;

oil and oil filter --------------------------OK

- whether you had diesel in the tank?

full tank ---------------------------------OK

- whether or not the fine fuel filter was changed before?

about 20 k ago ------------------------ IT IS LONG TERM OF SERVICE !!!!

- whether you have taken over on fuel injectors (what is their condition)?

dont understand,toyota ran dianostic on eng inc injectors,no fault found ----- NORMALLY THEY MUST TOO SHOW THEIR PERFORMANCE TO YOU BEFORE INSTALLATION !!!!!

- check with two solenoid valves mounted on the HP fuel injection pump (el circuit -- alive or not -- in case of positive - the valve must to click !);

will do,is this with ign on or off,is it very high pressure ex pump. --- DO NOT DISMANTLE -- JUST HAVE MULTITESTER AND CHECK WITH RESISTANCE OF EACH COIL.

- unscrew one of the injection pipes from injector or even fuel pipe from fuel pressure retainer and be assured the HP pump delivers diesel in comon rail.

will do, ------ OK put rags around not to spoil diesel on other parts

- whether someone has been adjusting injection timing before?

no one has done any work here ---------------------- OK

i have changed the fuel filter today as a first step.will let you know if that improves ,should notice on drive as car seems down on power before.

cheers for your advise. ------- OK

ROB --- try to test drive tomorrow or even today.

I feel that the problem was with filter due to age

good luck + come back with any reply

Igor

yes ROB

onething else -- do not forget to remove an air from filter !!!! otherwise you'll have huge vibration on idle revs.

Igor

[cmia]

look at scv

[rob virgo]

cheers lads , great help on this forum.

where is the scv and how do i test

how often should fuel filter be changed

ran the car last night and it responds much better now.will see if problem reappears over the next few days.hopfully sorted.

145k on eng , should i check turbo boost pressure,whats std psi.i know actuators on previous turbo cars i owned got weak and reduced boost.has anyone checked this on a high millage car.might be another few bhp lost there

rob v

[cmia]

search under my name for posts,

and you will see my car not starting thread ;)

[rob virgo]

car failed to start again today.

i pumped the fuel filter booster and it started then

i am thinking of ordering a new lift/low pressure pump today.

but i am wondering if its air in the system tho,i dont see a bleed valve on top of the filter housing.

i tightened the filter with a spanner where i have been told it should be hand tight.i dont have leaks but could i be drawing in air.

rob v

[igormus]

car failed to start again today.

i pumped the fuel filter booster and it started then

i am thinking of ordering a new lift/low pressure pump today.

but i am wondering if its air in the system tho,i dont see a bleed valve on top of the filter housing.

i tightened the filter with a spanner where i have been told it should be hand tight.i dont have leaks but could i be drawing in air.

rob v

hello

be noted that the filter with booster are located higher than fuel injection pump, so there most likely the sealant of booster plunger is worn down resulting an air is sucted on rod back stroke. Pay attention of this sealing first.

Cheers/Igor

[rob virgo]

car failed to start again today.

i pumped the fuel filter booster and it started then

i am thinking of ordering a new lift/low pressure pump today.

but i am wondering if its air in the system tho,i dont see a bleed valve on top of the filter housing.

i tightened the filter with a spanner where i have been told it should be hand tight.i dont have leaks but could i be drawing in air.

rob v

hello

be noted that the filter with booster are located higher than fuel injection pump, so there most likely the sealant of booster plunger is worn down resulting an air is sucted on rod back stroke. Pay attention of this sealing first.

Cheers/Igor

does this mean replacment of the unit that the filter attachs to or just a new filter.

pics below

[igormus]

car failed to start again today.

i pumped the fuel filter booster and it started then

i am thinking of ordering a new lift/low pressure pump today.

but i am wondering if its air in the system tho,i dont see a bleed valve on top of the filter housing.

i tightened the filter with a spanner where i have been told it should be hand tight.i dont have leaks but could i be drawing in air.

rob v

hello

be noted that the filter with booster are located higher than fuel injection pump, so there most likely the sealant of booster plunger is worn down resulting an air is sucted on rod back stroke. Pay attention of this sealing first.

Cheers/Igor

does this mean replacment of the unit that the filter attachs to or just a new filter.

pics below

basing on the photoes -- no one can reply you definitely --- i deem this filter (only lid assembly) has been in use for a long time and the following faults must be considered:

- O-rings worn down or installed incorrectly;

- booster diafragme could be worn down with some micro cracks

you can not evaluate it visually but to test this unit (as wholel) by ppressure and to locate leaks.

cheers/Igor

[igormus]

car failed to start again today.

i pumped the fuel filter booster and it started then

i am thinking of ordering a new lift/low pressure pump today.

but i am wondering if its air in the system tho,i dont see a bleed valve on top of the filter housing.

i tightened the filter with a spanner where i have been told it should be hand tight.i dont have leaks but could i be drawing in air.

rob v

hello

be noted that the filter with booster are located higher than fuel injection pump, so there most likely the sealant of booster plunger is worn down resulting an air is sucted on rod back stroke. Pay attention of this sealing first.

Cheers/Igor

does this mean replacment of the unit that the filter attachs to or just a new filter.

pics below

basing on the photoes -- no one can reply you definitely --- i deem this filter (only lid assembly) has been in use for a long time and the following faults must be considered:

- O-rings worn down or installed incorrectly;

- booster diafragme could be worn down with some micro cracks

you can not evaluate it visually but to test this unit (as wholel) by ppressure and to locate leaks.

cheers/Igor

besides -- as per my experience -- this unit gives a head ache all thhe time and the owner can not forget the problem with air in fuel injeection line unless to change this lid assembly. besides sometimes the air is sucted thru hoses bands (!) -- this must alsoo be considered.

cheers/Igor

[montytin]

car failed to start again today.

i pumped the fuel filter booster and it started then

i am thinking of ordering a new lift/low pressure pump today.

but i am wondering if its air in the system tho,i dont see a bleed valve on top of the filter housing.

i tightened the filter with a spanner where i have been told it should be hand tight.i dont have leaks but could i be drawing in air.

rob v

hello

be noted that the filter with booster are located higher than fuel injection pump, so there most likely the sealant of booster plunger is worn down resulting an air is sucted on rod back stroke. Pay attention of this sealing first.

Cheers/Igor

does this mean replacment of the unit that the filter attachs to or just a new filter.

pics below

basing on the photoes -- no one can reply you definitely --- i deem this filter (only lid assembly) has been in use for a long time and the following faults must be considered:

- O-rings worn down or installed incorrectly;

- booster diafragme could be worn down with some micro cracks

you can not evaluate it visually but to test this unit (as wholel) by ppressure and to locate leaks.

cheers/Igor

besides -- as per my experience -- this unit gives a head ache all thhe time and the owner can not forget the problem with air in fuel injeection line unless to change this lid assembly. besides sometimes the air is sucted thru hoses bands (!) -- this must alsoo be considered.

cheers/Igor

i went out shopping when i returned to my avensis it would not start (first time in four years any trouble) had to be towed to toyota dealer in derby.

i have just collected my car , repair cost 600 pounds ,,informed that the problem was a soliniod in the starter motor, cant anything be repaired these day do the dealers simply take the easy option to replace only new parts ..customer service my *****

[rob virgo]

wow , robbin gits

rob v

[rob virgo]

eventually sorted,

new dual mass flywheel and starter as suggested above.

thks igor for your input,was a great hlp

rob v

repairs seem to have caused another issue tho........