Avensis, 2003 (1.8 Vvt-i)

[igormus]

Hi There

Does anybody have an experience to use the subject oils?

Since 2003 I use 5W30 original syntetic as recomended but due to consumption I gonna change lubrication schedule and use 10W30 as also original semi.

My question is --- how the engine is started in winter, especially at minus 6C-- minus 10C (-16C) ???? I am still in doubts whether to have a risk of acc Battery flatting (due to more viscosity oil) or to continue using 5W30 and to prevent purchasing of new Battery, if any.

Thanks before hand

Igor

[igormus]

Hi There

Does anybody have an experience to use the subject oils?

Since 2003 I use 5W30 original syntetic as recomended but due to consumption I gonna change lubrication schedule and use 10W30 as also original semi.

My question is --- how the engine is started in winter, especially at minus 6C-- minus 10C (-16C) ???? I am still in doubts whether to have a risk of acc Battery flatting (due to more viscosity oil) or to continue using 5W30 and to prevent purchasing of new Battery, if any.

Thanks before hand

Igor

[KenMavor]

Hi There

Does anybody have an experience to use the subject oils?

Since 2003 I use 5W30 original syntetic as recomended but due to consumption I gonna change lubrication schedule and use 10W30 as also original semi.

My question is --- how the engine is started in winter, especially at minus 6C-- minus 10C (-16C) ???? I am still in doubts whether to have a risk of acc battery flatting (due to more viscosity oil) or to continue using 5W30 and to prevent purchasing of new battery, if any.

Thanks before hand

Igor

Igor,

My Verso handbook recommends 5w30 but I noticed that the invoices I have from the previous owner have 10w40 as the oil being used.

Seems that, as u mention, the viscosity and low temp is only difference. I asked Toyota and they said either is acceptable

and that best to stay with whatever you have been using and not to change.

[igormus]

Hi There

Does anybody have an experience to use the subject oils?

Since 2003 I use 5W30 original syntetic as recomended but due to consumption I gonna change lubrication schedule and use 10W30 as also original semi.

My question is --- how the engine is started in winter, especially at minus 6C-- minus 10C (-16C) ???? I am still in doubts whether to have a risk of acc battery flatting (due to more viscosity oil) or to continue using 5W30 and to prevent purchasing of new battery, if any.

Thanks before hand

Igor

Igor,

My Verso handbook recommends 5w30 but I noticed that the invoices I have from the previous owner have 10w40 as the oil being used.

Seems that, as u mention, the viscosity and low temp is only difference. I asked Toyota and they said either is acceptable

and that best to stay with whatever you have been using and not to change.

Hi

I'm literate :D and have read all oil grades recomended and scheduled. It is all clear in details, and more over the picture of each grade extrem temps allowance is self explained. All (5W30; 10W30; 15W40;; 20W50) are acceptable depending on extrem temps of the weather. Sometimes the min temp here is minus 16C. As clear vissible on oil selection -- the 10W30 lies in this limit, that is why this oil is correct. But my question was -- whether somebody on here has been using/use this oin in winter and has no starting problems with shaft cranking. That is all I need to know. Thank you

Igor

[Danny K]

My Verso handbook recommends 5w30 but I noticed that the invoices I have from the previous owner have 10w40 as the oil being used.

So does mine, even though it's not the Verso version, but when dealer serviced they've used 10-40 oil too. It's more than likely because 10-40 has become almost a universal standard for all engines (by order of the oil companies, not the vehicle manufacturers), whether motorbike or car in the UK, irrespective of what the various owners handbooks recommend.

ie., One of my motorbikes (2002 model) has 20-50 mineral oil (not synthetic or even the semi version), stated in the handbook. I do maintain it, and service it with 20-50 oil. But what a palaver to get 20-50 oil cheaply enough! I pay way over the odds to get it (Castrol Actevo), because, wait for it: "There's no call for it sir, everybody uses 10-40".

- Try it next time you're out; whether garage forecourt, supermarket motor dept or motor accessory shops - simply loads, and loads, of brands in the 10-40 range to choose from, but 20-50? Feggedit - never mind 5-30! Virtually absent from the shelves, although if you try hard enough you can track some down. But don't be palmed off with the stuff made for older 'classic' cars, put together by company's you've never heard of before.

No doubt Toyota main agents have it readily available - at a premium price (but that's not their fault), in comparison to their preferred 10-40 option.

[igormus]

My Verso handbook recommends 5w30 but I noticed that the invoices I have from the previous owner have 10w40 as the oil being used.

So does mine, even though it's not the Verso version, but when dealer serviced they've used 10-40 oil too. It's more than likely because 10-40 has become almost a universal standard for all engines (by order of the oil companies, not the vehicle manufacturers), whether motorbike or car in the UK, irrespective of what the various owners handbooks recommend.

ie., One of my motorbikes (2002 model) has 20-50 mineral oil (not synthetic or even the semi version), stated in the handbook. I do maintain it, and service it with 20-50 oil. But what a palaver to get 20-50 oil cheaply enough! I pay way over the odds to get it (Castrol Actevo), because, wait for it: "There's no call for it sir, everybody uses 10-40".

- Try it next time you're out; whether garage forecourt, supermarket motor dept or motor accessory shops - simply loads, and loads, of brands in the 10-40 range to choose from, but 20-50? Feggedit - never mind 5-30! Virtually absent from the shelves, although if you try hard enough you can track some down. But don't be palmed off with the stuff made for older 'classic' cars, put together by company's you've never heard of before.

No doubt Toyota main agents have it readily available - at a premium price (but that's not their fault), in comparison to their preferred 10-40 option.

thanks for advice

cheers/Igor

[Danny K]

I'm literate :D and have read all oil grades recomended and scheduled. It is all clear in details, and more over the picture of each grade extrem temps allowance is self explained. All (5W30; 10W30; 15W40;; 20W50) are acceptable depending on extrem temps of the weather...

Igor

Yes, that's true, it's worth reiterating here that all motor car engine oils are essentially THE SAME, once they have attained normal operating temperature. The ratings refer to how high the temperature can go before that paticular oil thins too dramatically and thus offer less protection to the engine; likewise when it's Siberian like temperatures, you need an oil that is not going to lose it's viscosity ability to cope.

Remember the documentaries of the German Tiger tanks during their attack on the then Soviet Union during WWII? Due to insufficient viscosity levels of the oil used in the German tanks to withstand the brutal Russian winter weather, the oil literally, froze solid in the engines - and the Tiger tank - the most feared, the most powerful tank in the world at that time, was rendered a worthless piece of junk and abandoned where they froze. The Russian tanks having the right viscosity oil in their tank engines - for the conditions, continued to run satisfactorily, and cleaned-up on the battlefield.

For the purposes of this thread, 'they' say that the general consensus is, that 10-40 is sufficient to protect engines for typical weather conditions experienced within the UK.

- But the same 'they' didn't foresee the credit crunch coming did 'they'?

[igormus]

I'm literate :D and have read all oil grades recomended and scheduled. It is all clear in details, and more over the picture of each grade extrem temps allowance is self explained. All (5W30; 10W30; 15W40;; 20W50) are acceptable depending on extrem temps of the weather...

Igor

Yes, that's true, it's worth reiterating here that all motor car engine oils are essentially THE SAME, once they have attained normal operating temperature. The ratings refer to how high the temperature can go before that paticular oil thins too dramatically and thus offer less protection to the engine; likewise when it's Siberian like temperatures, you need an oil that is not going to lose it's viscosity ability to cope.

Remember the documentaries of the German Tiger tanks during their attack on the then Soviet Union during WWII? Due to insufficient viscosity levels of the oil used in the German tanks to withstand the brutal Russian winter weather, the oil literally, froze solid in the engines - and the Tiger tank - the most feared, the most powerful tank in the world at that time, was rendered a worthless piece of junk and abandoned where they froze. The Russian tanks having the right viscosity oil in their tank engines, continued to run satisfactorily.

For the purposes of this thread, 'they' say that the general consensus is, that 10-40 is sufficient to protect engines for typical weather conditions experienced within the UK.

- But the same 'they' didn't foresee the credit crunch coming did 'they'?

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