Toyota Must Upgrade The Mmt-gear's Software

[auris2008]

I did post many times in this forum that the MMT-gear in Auris

has a serious malfunction by going down to the 1th gear in speed too high = in 18 KM/H = 11 Mph

I am not the only one here that this malfunction very annoy us to enjoy the Auris which we truly love.

But we must do any thing to force Toyota to change or upgrade the Mmt's sotware

to lower the speed the gear down to 1th will be no more than 8 Km/h= 5 Mph.

I did drove in Feat with selfspeed/Mnt gear and it down to 1th gear only when the speed is below 7-5 Km/h = 4-3 Mph.

I did drove Ford Focus autogear and change the gear position to "Manuel", then let the gear going down from 4th tp 1th while slowing- and to my surprise it going down from 2th to 1th in the speed lower then 5 Km/h = 3 Mph.

Why Toyota can't do what Feat and Ford can !!!!

Please we must send e-mail to Toyota-Europe to get their official respond why the mmt-software force down to 1th gear in too high speed (below 18 KM), and force them to upgrade it the same as in Seat and Ford and others.

The e-mail adress is:

Ilaria Todesco

Customer Relations Specialist

Customer Relations Department

email : cust.service@toyota-europe.com

[auris2008]

Mmt-owners ? :(

[Speed_Chaser]

Mmt-owners ? :(

Yes, I've noticed the same problem... But I think that Toyota won't upgrade

all the MM-T's it have selled until now even if we ask very very much... :/

Have you tried to speak with your dealer and ask if the guys working with

mechanics can mod the software a bit?

[A.Chan]

Well I not getting my car till thurs but once I get it I will test it out and then do email.

[auris2008]

Mmt-owners ? :(

Yes, I've noticed the same problem... But I think that Toyota won't upgrade

all the MM-T's it have selled until now even if we ask very very much... :/

Have you tried to speak with your dealer and ask if the guys working with

mechanics can mod the software a bit?

Owner's force is unlimited if they believed in them self, and have good reason - I am sure that this case is is case.

For example take " The Squeaky Brakes" and see that Toyota realize that this is here respectability and all the dealer will repair it now -no charge.

Try other cars (Feat,Alfa,,Honda,Ford,Mazda and so and so) and see that in this matter they are better - and here it is only the case of upgrade software.

So it is no big dill !!!

I spoke with my dealer 3 months ago -but he ignore me ,no reply till now.

Surly that this upgrade should came from Toyota main office in Japan and then spread all over to the dealers.

But we must be the stimulator to this action and we must do it loudly

[Yootta]

I did post many times in this forum that the MMT-gear in Auris

has a serious malfunction by going down to the 1th gear in speed too high = in 18 KM/H = 11 Mph

I am not the only one here that this malfunction very annoy us to enjoy the Auris which we truly love.

But we must do any thing to force Toyota to change or upgrade the Mmt's sotware

to lower the speed the gear down to 1th will be no more than 8 Km/h= 5 Mph.

I did drove in Feat with selfspeed/Mnt gear and it down to 1th gear only when the speed is below 7-5 Km/h = 4-3 Mph.

I did drove Ford Focus autogear and change the gear position to "Manuel", then let the gear going down from 4th tp 1th while slowing- and to my surprise it going down from 2th to 1th in the speed lower then 5 Km/h = 3 Mph.

Why Toyota can't do what Feat and Ford can !!!!

Please we must send e-mail to Toyota-Europe to get their official respond why the mmt-software force down to 1th gear in too high speed (below 18 KM), and force them to upgrade it the same as in Seat and Ford and others.

The e-mail adress is:

Ilaria Todesco

Customer Relations Specialist

Customer Relations Department

email : cust.service@toyota-europe.com

[Yootta]

Hi Gang,

reading your comments regarding Auris loosing power. There are currently two updates in circulation regarding similar faults. Your local dealers will be able to access TOTTS and get information on sudden loss of drive, engine rpm increase and no acceleration. Error code P0810 may be active. Technical service bulletin TS7-243 covers clutch replacement under warranty.

There is also an engine ECU flash upgrade mod that is currently available for diesel engine models only.

[auris2008]

Hi Gang,

reading your comments regarding Auris loosing power. There are currently two updates in circulation regarding similar faults. Your local dealers will be able to access TOTTS and get information on sudden loss of drive, engine rpm increase and no acceleration. Error code P0810 may be active. Technical service bulletin TS7-243 covers clutch replacement under warranty.

There is also an engine ECU flash upgrade mod that is currently available for diesel engine models only.

'Yootta' hi

What are Your's sources about this upgrades?

[Speed_Chaser]

I talked today to my Toyota dealer when i took my car there for a check (again). And he told me that he got the message about the early changing and will forward it to Toyota main office, where all the decisions are done. If they get enough complaints, they will release a new software. But the dealer said that he thinks it won't happen, because of the uphill-help given by this option. It makes it more easier to accelerate if you go uphill and have 1st, not the second gear. Of course it is not very comfty if you drive a straight road... But... My message will be delivered. Of course, if you are willing to make a complaint where all the unhappy owners will sign and it will be sent to Toyota, I can put my name there. You should just make that paper and put the link on the forum, and then see how many names will appear ;)

[auris2008]

I talked today to my Toyota dealer when i took my car there for a check (again). And he told me that he got the message about the early changing and will forward it to Toyota main office, where all the decisions are done. If they get enough complaints, they will release a new software. But the dealer said that he thinks it won't happen, because of the uphill-help given by this option. It makes it more easier to accelerate if you go uphill and have 1st, not the second gear. Of course it is not very comfty if you drive a straight road... But... My message will be delivered. Of course, if you are willing to make a complaint where all the unhappy owners will sign and it will be sent to Toyota, I can put my name there. You should just make that paper and put the link on the forum, and then see how many names will appear ;)

To all MMT_OWNERS

This is the winner point " If they get enough complaints, they will release a new software ".

Doing noting and only post here - will not solve our problem.

We must do it by e-miles to Toyota headquarter here in Europe and even directly to Toyota Japan and the sooner is better .

Last year, dec - I did send email to Toyota Europe:

TO: "pr@toyota-europe.com" <pr@toyota-europe.com>

DATE: 13/12/2007 20:31

: AURIS MMT - GOING DOWM TO 1ST GEAR TOO HIGH

Dear sir

I am from ISRAEL and got my Auris MMT 1.6 Luxury in May 2007 , drove it about 8000 KM, testing any position using the mmt - mostly in M mode.

I love this car very much , accept the problem that the MMT gearbox going down to the first gear when the speed drop below 18KM/HOUR.

This is very a bad driving .

I am 61 year old and drove manuel gear's cars ( 10 dev. cars ) for more then 40 years.

I never chance the manuel gear to the 1st in a corners or before stoping in the red lights. =WHY THE MMT GEARBOXE DO IT ???

Toyota must re-programming the gear software and lower the speed when the gear going down to 1st.

Now it is in 18 KM speed, which is too high, and it must be no more then 10KM-12KM.

I HOPE SOMEONE FROM TOYOTA IS READING THIS MAIL AND WILL please RESPOND SOON !!!

Here in Israel, your's Toyota importer have no answer to me - they don't know.

Regards

Here their reply:

FROM: cust.service@toyota-europe.com <cust.service@toyota-europe.com> : toyota-europe.com

תאריך: 17/12/2007 13:10

נושא: Customer Service Reference:

Mr.

Israel

Ref.

Brussels, 17 December 2007

Dear Mr.

Thank you for your further emails.

First of all I must apologize for my mistake in writing back to you. I had

understood the problem you are describing from your first email, but

unfortunately I made a mistake when answering.

As I have already written before, Union Motors Ltd, that you have already

contacted, is the official distributor for TOYOTA products in Israel and

therefore responsible for the handling of all customers' concerns on their

market. They work closely with Toyota Motor Europe and, in case of

necessity, they will ask for the support of our Technical Department as

well as any others.

This is the reason why we have asked them to review your case. As you might

understand, they are in a better position to check your vehicle and contact

you directly. Afterward they will provide us with a detailed report.

Said this, I want to stress that for Toyota each customer's comment and

opinion is very important and we always pass them to the related divisions

in order to constantly improve our products.

You will be soon contacted by one of our representatives from Union Motors

Ltd.

Best regards,

Ilaria Todesco

Customer Relations Specialist

Customer Relations Department

The second mail to them:

TO: "cust.service@toyota-europe.com" <cust.service@toyota-europe.com>

תאריך: 17/12/2007 16:53

נושא: Re: Customer Service Reference:

Ref.

Dear Ilaria Todesco,

Thank you for your further and guick email.

I hope you's representatives from Union Motors Ltd in Israel will contact me soon, as you promise me a week ago.

But I point this again - this is not only my problem - therefor the Local importer can't do noting except being nice.

Please read the post in Toyota Owners Club - UK Toyota Car Club >

which point the same problem by another AURIS'S OWNER :

http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=73878

The problem is universal - therefore the best way is to past it UP TO the TOYOTA HEADQUARTER and to the the correct manager.

Because I had no clear answer before ( 6 months ago), from any persons here in Israel, I past this problem to your's responsibility and hope to have a clear answer from Europe Toyota.

But you have the time and you give me the best service - thanks you for that.

( Petty , I did not buy the AURIS directly in Europe.)

Best regards,

End of quotations from my email .

SO Toyota-europe past me to my dealer - nothing happen - no solution = but they do their work = reply emails but no action to solve the problem at all.

This is the worst way to marketing a new model to the market !!!

[auris2008]

I talked today to my Toyota dealer when i took my car there for a check (again). And he told me that he got the message about the early changing and will forward it to Toyota main office, where all the decisions are done. If they get enough complaints, they will release a new software. But the dealer said that he thinks it won't happen, because of the uphill-help given by this option. It makes it more easier to accelerate if you go uphill and have 1st, not the second gear. Of course it is not very comfty if you drive a straight road... But... My message will be delivered. Of course, if you are willing to make a complaint where all the unhappy owners will sign and it will be sent to Toyota, I can put my name there. You should just make that paper and put the link on the forum, and then see how many names will appear ;)

alexC hi

Your's dealer reply " But the dealer said that he thinks it won't happen, because of the uphill-help given by this option. It makes it more easier to accelerate if you go uphill and have 1st, not the second gear " - Is rubbish .

1. It is basically to start in uphill from the 1th and then accelerate and chance to the 2th - upgrade the software must not change this.

2. We are talking here about going down from 2th to 1th and not going up from 1th to 2th. Any software-engineer,

can put the "If Command Routine" in the Mmt-software:

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** IN M-MODE AND IN E-MODE -

DO this Routine: **

** IF " The speed going up from zero + THE SPEED = 18KM ---> Then change to 2th " **

** BUT IF **

** "THE SPEED GOING DOWN + the SPEED = 8KM or less -----> CHANGE FROM 2TH TO 1TH" **

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

** IN ES-MODE **

** DISABLE THIS ROUTINE **

**End of the Routine **

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To my opinion writing this routine will take no more then 20-30 ( no more then 100) line-code all over the Mmt-software,

and no more then 10 programming-hour to upgrade and correcting bugs and then compiling,

and no more then 10 hour to check it perfectly on the field with the demo's cars.

The main problem for Toyota is to admit that " I did something wrong and I didn't get the ideal solution from a long time "

[Speed_Chaser]

I talked today to my Toyota dealer when i took my car there for a check (again). And he told me that he got the message about the early changing and will forward it to Toyota main office, where all the decisions are done. If they get enough complaints, they will release a new software. But the dealer said that he thinks it won't happen, because of the uphill-help given by this option. It makes it more easier to accelerate if you go uphill and have 1st, not the second gear. Of course it is not very comfty if you drive a straight road... But... My message will be delivered. Of course, if you are willing to make a complaint where all the unhappy owners will sign and it will be sent to Toyota, I can put my name there. You should just make that paper and put the link on the forum, and then see how many names will appear ;)

alexC hi

Your's dealer reply " But the dealer said that he thinks it won't happen, because of the uphill-help given by this option. It makes it more easier to accelerate if you go uphill and have 1st, not the second gear " - Is rubbish .

1. It is basically to start in uphill from the 1th and then accelerate and chance to the 2th - upgrade the software must not change this.

2. We are talking here about going down from 2th to 1th and not going up from 1th to 2th. Any software-engineer,

can put the "If Command Routine" in the Mmt-software:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

** IN M-MODE AND IN E-MODE -

DO this Routine: **

** IF " The speed going up from zero + THE SPEED = 18KM ---> Then change to 2th " **

** BUT IF **

** "THE SPEED GOING DOWN + the SPEED = 8KM or less -----> CHANGE FROM 2TH TO 1TH" **

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

** IN ES-MODE **

** DISABLE THIS ROUTINE **

**End of the Routine **

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To my opinion writing this routine will take no more then 20-30 ( no more then 100) line-code all over the Mmt-software,

and no more then 10 programming-hour to upgrade and correcting bugs and then compiling,

and no more then 10 hour to check it perfectly on the field with the demo's cars.

The main problem for Toyota is to admit that " I did something wrong and I didn't get the ideal solution from a long time "

Yes, I agree with you. But that's what he said to me, and it doesn't make me feel any better. I also asked about many other things, and heard same excuses: "it must be like that, that is made on purpose...." I think that we should make a new topic on the forum, where all the members who are uhappy put their names and places where they live. After some time you could copy the list to a word document and send it to Toyota. So everyone won't have to send an own email.

[auris2008]

Yes, I agree with you. But that's what he said to me, and it doesn't make me feel any better. I also asked about many other things, and heard same excuses: "it must be like that, that is made on purpose...." I think that we should make a new topic on the forum, where all the members who are uhappy put their names and places where they live. After some time you could copy the list to a word document and send it to Toyota. So everyone won't have to send an own email.

No , this wrong strategy.

I am not the spook man of " the MMT-owners " and I can't represent any one from this forum.

The only strategy in this case = Any Owner must e-mail to Toyota Europe - I did my share 6 mounts ago ( I post the address many times in this forum) and any one must complain only about the most important case - not a list.

To my opinion the most malfunction in MMT-gearbox is " the fact that it going down to 1th in too high speed" .

Of cause there are problem with the brakes and windows-jets - but there are well known in Toyota mind and they gives solutions.

In the matter of MMT-GEARBOX they did nothing at all till now

by reply as you post here:" "it must be like that, that is made on purpose...."

We must not take this " NO " and live with it.

[Parts-King]

I have often expressed an opinion about how people should contact Toyota, and my opinion has not changed. To be blunt, I think you are wasting your time and getting frustrated in the process, writing to everybody in Toyota. It doesnt matter how many letters or emails you send off to Toyota Japan or Europe, the letters/emails will ALWAYS be sent back to the country who sold the car. In the UK there is a procedure called "Product Reports" The dealer can submit the details for your car to Toyota using the product reporting tool, then this information is available for all dealers to see online, and Toyota monitor this to see if new parts or upgrades are required. On a personal note, the fact that the MMT goes down to first at 11mph is inconveinient but not a disaster, it is something you get used to, or at least I did.

Ask your dealer to submit a product report, and if you feel you must write to Toyota, write to them in Israel, do NOT send your letters anywhere else, it wont do any good. If anybody else feels strongly about this MMT issue, then I urge you to go to your dealer first to have a product report raised.

Kingo

[bjw]

I have often expressed an opinion about how people should contact Toyota, and my opinion has not changed. To be blunt, I think you are wasting your time and getting frustrated in the process, writing to everybody in Toyota. It doesnt matter how many letters or emails you send off to Toyota Japan or Europe, the letters/emails will ALWAYS be sent back to the country who sold the car. In the UK there is a procedure called "Product Reports" The dealer can submit the details for your car to Toyota using the product reporting tool, then this information is available for all dealers to see online, and Toyota monitor this to see if new parts or upgrades are required. On a personal note, the fact that the MMT goes down to first at 11mph is inconveinient but not a disaster, it is something you get used to, or at least I did.

Ask your dealer to submit a product report, and if you feel you must write to Toyota, write to them in Israel, do NOT send your letters anywhere else, it wont do any good. If anybody else feels strongly about this MMT issue, then I urge you to go to your dealer first to have a product report raised.

Kingo

Parts King is spot on with his comments !!! I have had dealings with Toyota GB,Toyota Europe and Toyota Japan regarding another issue not related to this and you are wasting your time .

Toyota Japan will make a lot of sympathetic noises as will Toyota Europe but at the end of the day they will just wait until you get fed up of writing in.

I am afraid people pressure will not have any effect on Toyota !!! only if and when Toyota are ready to change anything they will

Sorry if that sounds a little bit blunt and I really do understand your frustration

[auris2008]

I have often expressed an opinion about how people should contact Toyota, and my opinion has not changed. To be blunt, I think you are wasting your time and getting frustrated in the process, writing to everybody in Toyota. It doesnt matter how many letters or emails you send off to Toyota Japan or Europe, the letters/emails will ALWAYS be sent back to the country who sold the car. In the UK there is a procedure called "Product Reports" The dealer can submit the details for your car to Toyota using the product reporting tool, then this information is available for all dealers to see online, and Toyota monitor this to see if new parts or upgrades are required. On a personal note, the fact that the MMT goes down to first at 11mph is inconveinient but not a disaster, it is something you get used to, or at least I did.

Ask your dealer to submit a product report, and if you feel you must write to Toyota, write to them in Israel, do NOT send your letters anywhere else, it wont do any good. If anybody else feels strongly about this MMT issue, then I urge you to go to your dealer first to have a product report raised.

Kingo

Hello dear KIngo and thanks for you reply.

But, I am truly unbelieving when I try to study the meaning of every word of your's post here, for two reasons:

FIRST:

The odd situation that " It doesn't matter how many letters or emails you send off to Toyota Japan or Europe, the letters/emails will ALWAYS be sent back to the country who sold the car." IS VERY dangerous.

What happened if the TOYOTA's local dealer don't want to raise an issue and therefore ignore the owners by not reporting the problem in the-as u say " procedure called "Product Reports" "

I did spoke several times with the "Head Executive of Service-devision" of the only exclusive Toyota's Dealer here in Israel- nearly 6 month ago - But nothing happen.

DID YOU -AS A TOYOTA DEALER - SEE ANYTHING OR DID MONITORING IN TOYOTA-PRODUCT-REPORTING TOOLL ABOUT THE MMT-ISSUE , AS YOU POST US HERE ?

"The dealer can submit the details for your car to Toyota using the product reporting tool, then this information is available for all dealers to see online, and Toyota monitor this to see if new parts or upgrades are required."

IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING - PLEASE BE KIND TO TELL US - thanks.

SECONDLY:personal note

All my Older Manual's gear cars NEVER make me inconvenient and most of them I did owned at list 10 year :

FORD FIESTA 950cc - 1978

LANCIA DELTA 1300cc - 1982

NISSAN SUNNY 1600cc - 1993 and I still have it .

All this car were LEAST l" know Quality"-car then Toyota-Corola ( except the Nissan sunny) - So why I am complaining about the Auris/Corolla malfunction in MMT-GEAR if it is only inconvenient but not a disaster as you post " the fact that the MMT goes down to first at 11mph is inconvenient but not a disaster, it is something you get used to, "

I am confused - Toyota repairs/upgrade thing, only when it is disaster ??? :P :P :P

I DON'T WANT TO GET USED TO IT - I WANT TOYOTA TO REPAIR IT BECAUSE IT IS MALFUNCTIONING.

I hope I am not wasting my time , because I am still love my Auris and yet (for the time being) believe in Toyota good reputation.

I truly hope not to be frustrated in the process - because one day I will - and then I will say Bye-Bye to this " Frustrated Bride" ,

no meter how she looks beautifully and no meter that she came from the "best Family of the World" .

[Parts-King]

I can see this issue is causing you some grief, personally speaking, if the car goes down to first gear from 11mph, it is not going to be a disaster. I would put your concerns "In Writing" again to Toyota Israel, and ask them to comment on how many times this has been reported as a fault, I think you will find it is minimal. Good luck in finding a solution,

Kingo

[auris2008]

I can see this issue is causing you some grief, personally speaking, if the car goes down to first gear from 11mph, it is not going to be a disaster. I would put your concerns "In Writing" again to Toyota Israel, and ask them to comment on how many times this has been reported as a fault, I think you will find it is minimal. Good luck in finding a solution,

Kingo

Thanks

How many times this has been reported as a fault in your country or in Europe included ?

In this forum it reported by many members.

I spoke with a lot of people here in Israel -New Corolla/Auris Owners- but most of them don't like the MMT_GEAR at all.

They are not Manuel's gear lovers ( As I am) so they do not report , to my opinion, about this malfunction of this gear as a Manuel-gear' but they want this gear to act properly and exactly like Fully-Automatic gear.

Most of then do not understands the meaning of "Semi-automatic"

p.s.

I did check others car and in all of them, the gear going down to 1th NO HIGHER THEN 5-6 KM/H. (FORD,ALFA,FIAT)

I advice you, just for sport, to check it also in your's country and to bring us you results of this survey.

Thanks again.

[auris2008]

I can see this issue is causing you some grief, personally speaking, if the car goes down to first gear from 11mph, it is not going to be a disaster. I would put your concerns "In Writing" again to Toyota Israel, and ask them to comment on how many times this has been reported as a fault, I think you will find it is minimal. Good luck in finding a solution,

Kingo

Thanks

How many times this has been reported as a fault in your country or in Europe included ?

In this forum it reported by many members.

I spoke with a lot of people here in Israel -New Corolla/Auris Owners- but most of them don't like the MMT_GEAR at all.

They are not Manuel's gear lovers ( As I am) so they do not report , to my opinion, about this malfunction of this gear as a Manuel-gear' but they want this gear to act properly and exactly like Fully-Automatic gear.

Most of then do not understands the meaning of "Semi-automatic"

p.s.

I did check others car and in all of them, the gear going down to 1th NO HIGHER THEN 5-6 KM/H. (FORD,ALFA,FIAT)

I advice you, just for sport, to check it also in your's country and to bring us you results of this survey.

Thanks again.

HI Kingo

I hope you will do same survey, If you have time

[on board training]

Hi,

I was at Toyota dealer in Bishopbriggs in Glasgow, today and mentioned to Sales manager that I was totally happy with the 1.4D MMT Auris but was aware of grumbles on forums about the MMT and especially the petrol one.

He said they had a number of complaints about the performance of the MMT gearbox in the petrol ones more than the diesel ones but also said that once the salesmen had gone out with the customer, sometimes more than once, to explain and demonstrate the driving style that in time most of the customers had changed their driving style accordingly to drive the MMT.

[auris2008]

Hi,

I was at Toyota dealer in Bishopbriggs in Glasgow, today and mentioned to Sales manager that I was totally happy with the 1.4D MMT Auris but was aware of grumbles on forums about the MMT and especially the petrol one.

He said they had a number of complaints about the performance of the MMT gearbox in the petrol ones more than the diesel ones but also said that once the salesmen had gone out with the customer, sometimes more than once, to explain and demonstrate the driving style that in time most of the customers had changed their driving style accordingly to drive the MMT.

The owners of petrol 1.6 that drove Auto-cars before ( like Toyota 9th generation In Israel are only in Auto-Gear version) used to push the gas-pedal all the way and are waiting for clear gear changing. This is the main problem with their mind and driving behavior -

because they are expected to get this behavior in Semi-Auto Gear. NO WAY :lol:

The MMT IS MANUEL GEAR WITH AUTO MODE capabilities.

The mechanics routine for changing gear in ANY MANUEL GEAR (including MMT) ARE:

1. release accelerator pedal

2. detach clutch -by computer or by the driver

3. change the gear's wheel position to the correct one .

4 .close the clutch - by computer or by release the pedal .

5. push the accelerator pedal again and gain the correct speed

This routine is enforced by the mechanics of Manuel System and you can't make a short way.

Therefore , Semi-Auto gearbox ( IN Auto/E mode) make the changes more slowly and in perceivable way when it change gear in the lowers ones.

The Double-Clutches Gearboxs are more precise because they have always one clutch in waiting position - the shortest time for gear change.

But they are VERY MORE expensive/ heavier/complicate/unreadability for long period.

http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyouneedtokn...howDSGworks.htm

p.s

When it will be 7 speeds gearbox in Corolla/Auris?

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/01/bmw-d...ble-clutch.html

[auris2008]

There is a rumour in Israel , that Toyota will announce ( Or did already) a new upgrade to the MMT-Softwere.

Did anyone , from Mmt-owners or from Toyota-dealers workers, hear or know something about it ?

[auris2008]

Where are all the MMT owners ?

[Speed_Chaser]

What is the difference to the previous one? Haven't heard anything about here in Finland? Or is it just in your country?

[auris2008]

What is the difference to the previous one? Haven't heard anything about here in Finland? Or is it just in your country?

I didn't say there is a new one, only there is a hear-saying , but not fact.

I hope that Toyota will consider the Owners feedback and will upgrade the MMT-Softwere lowering the speed when the gear change from 2th to 1th.